Obama is a communist gun grabber

http://www.examiner.com/article/the-communist-party-usa-echoes-obama-s-call-for-more-gun-control

ObamacommunistExaminer
You've already got three strikes as soon as you posted the thread. Damn OP, today is not looking good for you.

>>2
hurr my masters instructed me to ignore any criticism of Obama
cool brainwashing bro

>others are already working to exploit the horrific event for political gain.
Fucking wut? Suggesting action to prevent yet another massacre of children and adults is exploiting the event? Get a grip, NRA.

I like "GTA- Vice City" 's method of gun control: All guns would float in a shiny bubble at the front of the security gate but if you were smart enough to "Rocket-jump" in front of the gate , or stack cars to flip over them like some sort of explosive ramp as "San Andreas" did, or retro-fit your car to float over the water "Cuban style" with codes or over-encumber yourself with the too many weapons "DOOM" code, or get into a poorly guarded airplane and do a "Liberty City did 9/11".

Whoa, maybe "Jack_Thompson" is correct. Maybe video games have rotted my brain.

>>5
Don't be silly, video games are good for you!
Consume, breed and obey.

>>2
Nope. Obama actually was a communist radical in his earlier years, he associated himself with members of the Weathermen movement, such as William (Bill) Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, Rashid Khalidi, and other Harvard leftist professors.

The Weathermen went underground and started a campaign of terror, bombings, targeted assassinations against politicians, etc. before law enforcement managed to shut it down.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlN2t0oERHk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASiblawQ7_w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjcS6QFtn_g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu5tKEPLUhc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jrrnkKmUzo

Obama definitely is a communist, just like how the current EU President, José Manuel Barroso, is a confirmed communist radical.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDVEmigKAck

Why would communists want to deny themselves the means of revolution?

>>3
What are you quoting? No. If the OP was talking about how Obama signing the NDAA was bad, or how he's been continuing the assault on civil liberties that the Bush administration has started, or his order on drone strikes in Afghanistan and Pakistan (that have killed quite a number of civilians, including women and children) those would be actual and legitimate things to criticize the president of. Calling someone who is essentially a moderate Republican (due to the Democrats' shift to the right in recent decades) a communist makes the word "hyperbole" an understatement.

>>4
It's The Examiner, a publication that prides itself on QUALITY JOURNALISM™. Here's an interesting small PDF (5 pages) on current and historic gun laws across the states: http://btlonline.org/2012/spec/i/120405-blog-gunsInpublicplaces.pdf Check out the 1981 and 2011 maps on page 2, I couldn't believe that Texas of all places didn't allow conceal carry in 1981, though that seems to have quickly changed in the aftermath of the attempted assassination on Ronald Reagan, a 1982 article from a pro-gun website: http://www.saf.org/LawReviews/R_Newman.html
During the 1981 Texas legislative session no fewer than eighteen bills, which in some manner affect possession of firearms, were introduced. [9] Although none passed, the current fervor over the issue of handgun ownership indicates it is probable that changes will be made in Texas handgun control law.

>>7
Nope. Obama actually was a communist radical in his earlier years, he associated himself with members of the Weathermen movement
Really? He helped them set up bombs and do property damage in protest of the Vietnam War when he wasn't even double digits in age?
William (Bill) Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, Rashid Khalidi, and other Harvard leftist professors.Harvard
None of those people you listed ever taught at Harvard.
The Weathermen went underground and started a campaign of terror, bombings, targeted assassinations against politicians, etc. before law enforcement managed to shut it down.
No, they had disbanded by themselves after the Vietnam War had ended and the wider anti-war movement had lost its flair. Leaked documents from an FBI office in Pennsylvania exposed the FBI's secret COINTELPRO operation and illegal mail openings and wiretapping that they had done against both radical and moderate reformers. Did you even read the Wikipedia article that you linked?

Obama definitely is a communist, just like how the current EU President, José Manuel Barroso, is a confirmed communist radical.
This thread isn't about José, although, it's no secret that he joined a Maoist student organization in his youth, however, he has joined the PPD/PSD party which is a center-right conservative political party, and Portugal has a democratic multi-party political society. Far from being a communist that only allow one-party rule.

>>8
It wouldn't make sense at all. Especially since Mao said that "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun."

Here is a spreadsheet of Obama's Marxist connections:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsCNvSTRHrwPdFlwMEZIVy1XU3ZaMWpYVi1yWGtuaXc#gid=0

>>10
He's well connected. What's wrong with that?

Looks like people from WorldNutDaily have found /newpol/.

@10: It isn't that Obama is well-connected, it is that he's surrounded by Marxists, and has been his whole life.

@11: Do you ridicule the source because you can't defend or explain the evidence?

>>13
because you can't defend or explain the evidence
More like, because whenever they don't like someone, then that can only possibly be since he's a {spooky voice}Co-o-ommie-e-e.

Over here, though, we've seen actual Commies. Worse yet, we've seen more of the spectrum than those two narrow flavours that you Yankees keep clinging to.
And trust me, it takes more than your signature on a gun control bill to make you a real Commie.

>>14
More like, because whenever they don't like someone, then that can only possibly be since he's a {spooky voice}Co-o-ommie-e-e.
Pretty much. It's a smear name that's a holdover from the McCarthy era used against anyone that someone even has the slightest disagreement with. I find it absurd that Obama, who is essentially a moderate Republican DINO who implemented Bob Dole's 1995 healthcare plan (and "Obamacare" is also similar to a plan that Nixon advocated in 1974) is labeled a Marxist/Communist/Socialist when he's nothing of the sort.
Worse yet, we've seen more of the spectrum than those two narrow flavours that you Yankees keep clinging to.
The UK seems to have a two-party system of its own with Labour and Conservative (I know the Liberal Democrats are an actual third-party in Parliament, but they don't carry quite the same weight that the other two do). Australia seems to have a decent system going, and voting there is compulsory, which would be unthinkable in the USA.

Obama has said that his preference was for single-payer, but it wouldn't have passed Congress.

Obama is a Marxist. Just go through the Google spreadsheet and see for yourself.

>>16
Obama has said that his preference was for single-payer, but it wouldn't have passed Congress.
So did Kucinich before he got gerrymandered out of his district. Support for such makes neither person "Marxist".
Just go through the Google spreadsheet and see for yourself.
I did, it's full of association fallacies, category errors and quote-mining.

Kucinich was a Marxist. And my point is that just because Obama does something moderate doesn't mean he wants to.

I'll notice you didn't point out even one specific flaw in the spreadsheet, you just wrote a bunch of nonsense.

If you don't know Obama is a Marxist, you don't know much about him. I realize that the media don't ever bring it up, but you don't have to follow like a sheep.

>>18
Kucinich was a Marxist.
Yeah, everyone you don't like is a Marxist, I get it. That shrewd old lady that didn't say hello to you is a Marxist, the neighbor you wrongly accused of kicking your dog is a Marxist. Wait, turn around, there might be a Marxist in your bedroom closet!
And my point is that just because Obama does something moderate doesn't mean he wants to.
He very well could do much more damage than he's doing now. Thanks to the Bush administration, the Executive branch has far more power than it did in decades past, and Congress and certainly the courts didn't stop Bush from doing what should have been impeachable actions. Obama is a bit more responsive to criticism than his predecessor, when Bush was criticized, he didn't give a fuck what people thought and went ahead and did what he wanted to do anyway.
I'll notice you didn't point out even one specific flaw in the spreadsheet
You're right, I didn't point out one flaw, I pointed out three, actually four now since it doesn't cite direct sources about each person.
you just wrote a bunch of nonsense.
Just because you don't understand what the terms mean doesn't make them "nonsense". One has association with a classmate, that's really stretching it even by guilt by association fallacy standards.
If you don't know Obama is a Marxist, you don't know much about him.
Replace "Marxist" with "moderate Republican" and you have everything you need to know about Obama and the modern Democratic party's shift towards the right in recent decades. I mean, seriously, he caves in to criticism from the GOP at *almost* every turn, a DINO at best.
I realize that the media don't ever bring it up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bKAmpbRUW4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAPGRgi9O8A
but you don't have to follow like a sheep.
This sounds like projection, the whole "Obama is a Marxist" meme gets repeated often without much though from the people repeating it.

@19: Nearly everything you wrote is wrong.

Not citing sources doesn't make something wrong, it just makes it incomplete. You can go do your own research on any of those people. You'll find they are all Marxists.

Here is one article you can read about Obama: http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/02/meeting_young_obama.html

Nearly everything Obama has done has increased the size and power of government. He didn't implement single-payer healthcare, but he did pass a massive increase in government power. He knows he can't implement Marxism in one step.

Here is a nice list explaining how Obama is much worse than Bush: http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2011/06/president-barack-obamas-complete-list.html

>>20
@19: Nearly everything you wrote is wrong.
Nope, it's actually quite accurate.
Not citing sources doesn't make something wrong, it just makes it incomplete. You can go do your own research on any of those people. You'll find they are all Marxists.
You're the one making the claim, back it up! Don't make a claim and then tell others to "do their own research", that's a little bitch cop-out.
Here is one article you can read about Obama: http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/02/meeting_young_obama.html
I see your one article and raise you seven: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2011/07/10/daily-kos-week-review-barack-obama-dino
Nearly everything Obama has done has increased the size and power of government. He didn't implement single-payer healthcare, but he did pass a massive increase in government power. He knows he can't implement Marxism in one step.
Pretty sure just increasing the size of government isn't "Marxism". Bush, Clinton, Bush's father, Reagan, ect. all increased the size of the federal government in one way or another during their terms and certainly weren't called "Marxist" for it. Or if they were, certainly not to the same frequency Obama has been. He also implemented a healthcare plan that was similar to Bob Dole's, going by this logic, Bob Dole must be a Marxist then too, no?
Here is a nice list explaining how Obama is much worse than Bush: http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2011/06/president-barack-obamas-complete-list.html
I'm well aware of the drone attacks, human rights abuses and continuing attacks on civil liberties that Bush started that Obama has done during his first term. The signing of NDAA was quite controversial. These are reasons why I voted third-party this time around. But the whole Obama = Marxist meme is a huge red herring to take attention away from *actual* damage he is doing, RIGHT NOW It's very counterproductive, and the arguments for it are quite fallacious.

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The spreadsheet gives a comprehensive list of people around Obama who are Marxists. If you want more, you are welcome to research him more. Would you like a biography of Saul Alinsky in a spreadsheet?

The Newsbusters article didn't refute anything in the spreadsheet. Lots of people on the outside of the White House just guess what Obama really believes. His past is opaque and he's never asked about it. He is also constrained by what is possible in Washington DC. If he had the ability to create his own legislation, it would be more clear what he believes.

It isn't just increasing the size of government that makes someone a Marxist. I was just pointing out that nearly everything Obama does fits that. All those other presidents increased the size of government in one way, but also decreased it in other ways. You can't look at one action to decide if someone is governing like a Marxist.

BTW, it is untrue that this legislation is like what Bob Dole supported. There are only a few elements that are the same.

The arguments about Obama being a Marxist are not false. You just haven't researched it enough and so you reject what you don't understand.

>>23
The spreadsheet gives a comprehensive list of people around Obama who are Marxists.
Even if every single one of them were really Marxists, Obama simply by associating with them does not automatically make him one, suggesting so is a fallacy.
Would you like a biography of Saul Alinsky in a spreadsheet?
Lila Rose is an anti-abortion activist who cites Saul Alinsky as an influence along with many other people. Is she a "Marxist" too?
The Newsbusters article didn't refute anything in the spreadsheet. Lots of people on the outside of the White House just guess what Obama really believes.
It refutes it because of the legislation that Obama has actually passed and actions done under White House tenure.
If he had the ability to create his own legislation, it would be more clear what he believes.
Go back to legislation he sponsored or co-sponsored as senator. It'll most likely be no different from any other Democrat.
It isn't just increasing the size of government that makes someone a Marxist. I was just pointing out that nearly everything Obama does fits that. All those other presidents increased the size of government in one way, but also decreased it in other ways.
So has Obama. He has cut social programs and has done some regressive things like I would expect from a standard moderate Republican, and like a broken clock that's correct twice a day, Obama has done *some* (keyword being some) good stuff, but that's a rare day when that happens.
BTW, it is untrue that this legislation is like what Bob Dole supported. There are only a few elements that are the same.
It is more or less the same legislation. Bob Dole's bill was a moderate third way between Clinton's push for universal health care and House Republicans not wanting to do anything.
The arguments about Obama being a Marxist are not false. You just haven't researched it enough and so you reject what you don't understand.
I've looked into it more than is healthy, and I've concluded that people who call Obama "Marxist" simply just don't like him. I don't like him either, and it's for reasons, factual reasons. You appear to have your own mind made up, and you're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.