I am a computer programmer. Here is a 24 page report that seems to "prove" to me that Obama's birth certificate is a forgery: http://moncktononline.com/
Can others read it and say what they think?
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Anonymous2012-12-14 17:45
monckton knows the deal. guy's got mad street cred.
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Anonymous2012-12-14 22:36
>>38
Romney is an even greater kike shill. He wants to hurt poor Ahmadinejad.
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Anonymous2012-12-23 1:36
yeah how do you think the conservatist party manages to spread misinformation.This whole birth certificate thing is what you have just described.
For being such concerned patriotards obsessing over the details of a birth certificate, it's a little strange that they have a crowned portcullis like you see in the UK Parliament, and various British flags and call themselves the "Hereditary Peers". Are they a bunch of Anglophile trolls or Brits stirring the birther pot some more to give the terminally gullible something to do? Neither would surprise me.
Generally such people are suppose to be jingoist as fuck and never acknowledge any place outside the borders of the United States (except the country currently being occupied, of course) I guess that act has gotten pretty old, though.
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Anonymous2012-12-24 20:00
They aren't "obsessing" over the birth certificate. They are analyzing the PDF. It is a document that can be opened and investigated. You'll note the US media dropped the story the day it was released and have never reported any of the questions found in the research. The media are covering up for Obama.
The report was produced by Brits. The terminally gullible are those who think there is nothing to look into.
Or some in the media decided to stop dignifying people who continue to deny his citizenship. Even if the White House decides to release yet another copy of his birth certificate with no "layers" or other such non-issue that you people obsess over you'll still claim that it's a forgery because you desire that it be so.
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Anonymous2012-12-26 22:54
It isn't just that the document has layers, it is what is in the layers, their location, how some overlap, and other aspects. The layers that exist are the ones a graphic designer would create while making a forged document.
Releasing another document without all the layers doesn't make the problems with the first one go away. And it isn't even just the layers.
The media never dignified "the birthers." All they did from the beginning is ridicule anyone who questions any aspect, and ignored nearly everything about Obama's past. The idea that the media were being reasonable is nonsense, they are propagandists for the Obama administration. The media are covering up for Obama. Instead of the media doing their job investigating the powerful like in Watergate, they hide the truth.
>>49 It isn't just that the document has layers, it is what is in the layers, their location, how some overlap, and other aspects. The layers that exist are the ones a graphic designer would create while making a forged document.
Did you even read what I wrote in >>48 ? I'll highlight it for you so you can understand better: Even if the White House decides to release yet another copy of his birth certificate with no "layers" or other such non-issue that you people obsess over you'll still claim that it's a forgery because you desire that it be so.
Basically birthers don't understand scanning, imaging, and the Adobe PDF format. Anybody on the Internet can claim that they're an expert in these things, and because there are anomalies, it's automatically assumed to be a fake. At best, this is fallacious reasoning. The media never dignified "the birthers."
Really? I don't watch cable TV news networks much these days, as most of them are filled with shit, however Fox News certainly dignified them and continue to do. MSNBC have also done so, they had Orly Taitz on a few times at the very least. Even if you buy into the bullshit that the oh so poor birthers are being oppressed, negative press is still press. They're dignifying them with a response even if it's not considered a "good" response.
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Anonymous2012-12-28 16:25
I read what you wrote. Releasing a document with clear evidence of forgery doesn't make subsequent documents where all the problems are cleaned up go away. It is like saying that because you cleaned up all the blood after a murder that the crime didn't happen.
And you are wrong that birthers don't understand scanning and layers. There were people who looked into this issue extensively and found that they could get no software to generate layers like what exists in Obama's PDF. You just assume people don't know what you are talking about because you haven't looked at their evidence and don't know what you are talking about.
Fox News never ran one news story discussing whether his document is forged. MSNBC didn't either. Not one major news outlet in America did. The trouble with you is not that you are ignorant, but that you know so much that isn't so.
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Anonymous2012-12-29 20:38
I'm convinced that there's something to the issue, simply because of all of the other anomalies surrounding the issue of where Obama was born.
Things like him not knowing his own birthdate. That's not a mistake most people make, in fact I don't know a single person who was ever confused about the precise date of their birth.
There's the issue of Obama not checking for 20 years on his book agent. The agent listed him as being born in Kenya for years, and the book was an autobiography. And Obama didn't correct this promotional material even though as the author of an autobiography, having an error on a speaker sheet to get him hired to speak about his autobiography is going to kill his credibility if caught, he didn't check, nor did his agent.
The issue of Michelle Obama talking about a vacation to his home in Kenya. Oh and the Kenyan ambassador refering to people visiting Obama's Kenyan birthplace. I'm sure that you're had that problem a lot. You know, people mistakenly believing you were born in Germany and turning your German birthplace into a theme park.
Before you even start looking at the PDF file (which I trust computer experts on) there are enough problems that need to be answered. Explain any of the above. Explain how a grown man of normal intelligence doesn't know his birthdate.
>>51 I read what you wrote. Releasing a document with clear evidence of forgery doesn't make subsequent documents where all the problems are cleaned up go away. It is like saying that because you cleaned up all the blood after a murder that the crime didn't happen.
Except, however, that the so-called "clear evidence" isn't evidence at all. And you are wrong that birthers don't understand scanning and layers. There were people who looked into this issue extensively and found that they could get no software to generate layers like what exists in Obama's PDF.
They certainly don't understand the type of scanning and optimization that was done on the White House PDF. Adobe's Clearscan and OCR and general optimization will produce quite similar effect in other documents. This YouTube video explains it quite well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqoB7F9-wOM&hd=1 as well as this thread in general: http://metabunk.org/threads/883-Debunked-Obama-Certificate-of-Live-Birth-So-Fake-It-Hurts Fox News never ran one news story discussing whether his document is forged. MSNBC didn't either. Not one major news outlet in America did. The trouble with you is not that you are ignorant, but that you know so much that isn't so.Fox News http://goo.gl/tSQgVMSNBC http://goo.gl/KyZJiThe trouble with you is not that you are ignorant, but that you know so much that isn't so.
Oh that sweet, sweet projection.
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That's fine, but this thread is about the birth certificate PDF. Make a new thread about that.
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Anonymous2012-12-30 8:15
None of the Fox / MSNBC links you posted had people discussing whether it was forged. You know: bring on experts, have a debate, etc. None of that happened. The White House has not answered any questions about the BC either. They ridicule and ignore anyone who brings it up.
People looked at the types of layers created by other software. People spent months looking into just that issue alone. No software produced anything like what is in Obama's BC. To pick but one example, Obama has layers that overlap.
>>55 None of the Fox / MSNBC links you posted had people discussing whether it was forged. You know: bring on experts, have a debate, etc. None of that happened.
Then you didn't watch any of the videos then. Especially the ones I linked to under "Fox News". People looked at the types of layers created by other software. People spent months looking into just that issue alone.
Yeah, nobody is doubting that. No software produced anything like what is in Obama's BC.
Then you didn't watch the YouTube video that I had linked to, and also the metabunk forum link.
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Anonymous2012-12-30 14:31
Other than a couple of oblique references by Donald Trump, no one at Fox News has ever explained all the problems with Obama's BC PDF. There has never been a debate, or a fair and balanced discussion with experts, etc.
Yes, I went through the metabunk forum and watched that video. They explained how PDFs can have layers, but not how PDFs could have layers like what exist in Obama's BC. The layers that exist are not computer-generated, they are exactly what a graphics designed would do when creating a forged document.
People spent a lot of time using software and were unable to create layers like what exists in Obama's BC.
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Anonymous2012-12-31 6:16
Why would it matter if Obama was from Kenya or cavorted with communists anyway?
People should just admit they're not perfect and leave it at that.
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Anonymous2012-12-31 15:04
The Republicans were only partly correct. The reality is that his mom is a slut and that's why he doesn't look like his dad.
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Imagine writing a book about finding your "dad" only to discover he not only played no role in your upbringing but isn't even your biological father, just another nigger your slut momma had a fling with.
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Anonymous2013-01-01 18:39
If Obama was born in Kenya he is ineligible to be President.
And to be hanging out with Marxists does matter. Why do people not care that the truth is hidden?
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Anonymous2013-01-01 19:53
this is a conversation for idiots. stop right now
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Anonymous2013-01-02 5:03
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So what am I supposed to do? Stop talking about it because it doesn't feel right?
Ridicule is a common tactic to discredit someone, often there is no real reason for it.
This conversation is racist and ridiculous. He has shown his birth certificate on multiple occasions even though its an extraordinarily degrading, bitter, an idiotic thing to ask of the president. If it were a real issue im sure the government wouldve noticed that he wasnt born in the united states. There is no basis for this line of thought besides he is of kenyan decent and racist assholes
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Anonymous2013-01-09 7:34
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Nothin' racist about it child. I'll just call miss cleo to see who the daddy is. Maybe get pateernity results from maury.
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Anonymous2013-01-09 7:34
>>66
Nothin' racist about it child. I'll just call miss cleo to see who the daddy is. Maybe get pateernity results from maury.
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Anonymous2013-01-09 8:19
His mother was an American citizen.
So your mother is visiting relatives in Canada and goes into labor a few weeks early, you are born on Canadian soil so you are not a true American?
>>57 Other than a couple of oblique references by Donald Trump, no one at Fox News has ever explained all the problems with Obama's BC PDF. There has never been a debate, or a fair and balanced discussion with experts, etc.
You're asking way too much from cable TV news networks, dude. Yes, I went through the metabunk forum and watched that video. They explained how PDFs can have layers, but not how PDFs could have layers like what exist in Obama's BC. The layers that exist are not computer-generated, they are exactly what a graphics designed would do when creating a forged document.
Did you only see the first post in that thread? Because the subsequent posts debunk what the first poster posted with the YouTube video.