Obama's birth certificate PDF

I am a computer programmer. Here is a 24 page report that seems to "prove" to me that Obama's birth certificate is a forgery: http://moncktononline.com/

Can others read it and say what they think?

lol. the greatest fakery is chain of command.

You mean chain of custody? What did you notice that was so fake?

I thought i heard the president is the top of the chain of command. except when right wing idiots are in charge.

i thought Guantanamo bay would lead to bush being charged with something... not to mention countless other foreign ''human rights free zones'

thats the joke.


Obama? Obama is 2nd term its done.
Like this rates, even if i had the patients to try and decipher it. then i would have to question whether this whole piece is an authentic work or a manipulation of the truth.

I have no idea what you are talking about with regards to "when right-wing idiots in charge."

Guantanamo is a prison for terrorists, better than the prisons for civilians of many countries. (I'd rather be in Gitmo than in an Egyptian or Mexican prison.)

Obama was never going to close Gitmo, it was just a political promise that some people got excited about. Obama wants social justice against the evil rich. That is where he focuses his energy. Obama is the only Nobel Prize winner with a kill list.

The whole Gitmo "scandal" was just something created as a way to attack Bush. Propagandists know that you have to pick a topic and talk about it repeatedly.

Bush did everything legally when you consider this is a war. I realize that lots of people claim Bush is a war criminal, but there were people doing the same of Churchill and FDR, etc.

Obama's second term isn't done. It hasn't started. Benghazi is worse than Watergate. I don't know what will happen, but if the facts got out about his PDF, he could be in trouble. The problem is that everyone ignores it. The fact that his PDF even COULD be a forgery has not been discussed. Anyone who brings it up is stupid or crazy or racist. There is a cover-up via political group-think which discourages anyone from even looking into it.

The term "Birther" was created to name this disease. But what about those who believed the PDF has digital anomalies -- that his PDF is forged? Those people are "forgers" nor "birthers." Of course the establishment in the US doesn't want to discuss any of it. The media don't look, don't learn, don't report. Obama treats the media like sheep. I just don't think that groups like Anonymous should follow along.

There are big questions about the BC. The truth should get out!

Right wing idiots formerly in charge - just think of them there identities will come to mind.

what Guantanamo actually is is a POW camp in frikin' Cuba of all places. how it stands up to other countries is irrelevant...i guess because in some countries children are kidnapped and mutilated for magic.see ref[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_African_Vodun]

well the Nobel prize might be given to the EU this time so what does that prove? YOU are asserting that those are his motivations man.

Benghazi is a joke what are you a some kind of moron?
maybe this is the problem, if you sincerely believe what you just typed. if Benghazi is what you say it is please explain what 9/11 was. that's not meant to be loaded in conspiracy'ness OK.

i mean what is this 'establishment'? If you don't recognize my slight towards people like bush and yet you say Obama is a dick and that the entire establishment AND media is also fucked. don't you see that doesn't really make sense?

Guantanamo is for terrorists, not POWs. There is a big difference. In war, you have to be wearing a uniform, not hiding among civilians, etc. to get POW status.

Benghazi is a scandal for many reasons. The biggest is that the White House refused calls for help during the 7 hour firefight. It also lied about what happened, blaming it on a video and arresting the person who made that video. It also didn't add security when the consolate was attacked months before.

Obama can get anyway with anything because the establishment love him. Obama got 92% vote in DC. Every mistake and detail about his past is ignored. The fact that he released a birth certificate that is forged is just the biggest example.

There are big questions about the BC. The truth should get out!

Well in my opinion if you kidnapp people in the street and, without any kind of trial label them terrorists...your gonna get problems.

What don't you heartless people understand...other nationalities are not animals to be cruelly kept in cages because you have foreign policy issues. Bubble boy or what.

 you are at war and you have your troops grab and smash... that makes them prisoners of said war. what is a terrorist? someone outside of the system, America has sponsored terrorism to the highest degree - Norther Ireland, Isreal come to mind many more..
the arab spring is a reaction to 20 years of very selfish policy of the USA to maintain power and influence in that region by supporting oppression.
92% of the vote - wow im actually heartened by that - so your politicians stand up against that fuckwit Romney and his bought soul - yet this is a bad thing for you? you some kind of millionaire or CEO or something?

9/11 or Benghazi - choose which one you think shows a the biggest lack of awareness. please.

>>8
You're being defensive.

sorry i got mad but i think US foreign policy is heartless and selfish. America does a lot of good - i just don't agree with these aspects.

My brother is a soldier - i know they are decent people - but the fact remains.

Can we focus on the birth certificate and save Gitmo for another thread?

A President with a forged BC is one of the biggest scandals in history. It would be as if the moon landing was actually faked!

>>11
I'm still wondering how McCain had the legal right to run for the presidency when he was born in a non-American territory that was south of the border. It's as if they are preparing for a Mexican-born president in the tri-state area. Meanwhile: Carlos Slim Helu is laughing himself to the bank.
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>>12
If you are born outside the US to two US citizens you are a citizen. If you are born outside the US to only one citizen you are not a citizen.

No, you have to be born in the US to be a natural born citizen.

John McCain was born on a military base, which is considered sovereign US territory.

The Senate even researched this topic and said that he was qualified. They've not researched anything about Obama's BC.

>>14
See? The senate had to invent a law to stop all of the lawsuits!
Even president Carter emphasized how little sovereignty the US has over Panama.
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Three cases have challenged McCain's eligibility on the ground that he is ineligible due to his birth in the Panama Canal Zone. The first case, Inland Empire Voters v. United States, was filed in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California. The skeletal complaint alleged that McCain was ineligible to serve as President and sought declaratory relief, without providing any explanation of why the named plaintiffs had standing. Plaintiffs voluntarily dismissed that case in April 2008.

In the meantime, a second case, Hollander v. McCain, was filed in a New Hampshire federal district court. The plaintiff, Fred Hollander, is a registered Republican who alleged that he planned to vote in the 2008 election. Hollander claimed that the nomination of a candidate who was ineligible to serve under Article II of the Constitution "disenfranchised" him and other voters. He sought not only a declaration of McCain's ineligibility, but also an injunction requiring that McCain withdraw his candidacy and that the Republican National Committee reassign McCain's delegates to other candidates and nominate a qualified candidate. The district court dismissed Hollander's case, concluding that he presented only a "generalized interest" shared in common with other citizens that failed to satisfy the injury-in-fact requirement for standing under Article III.

The third federal case challenging McCain's eligibility, Robinson v. Bowen, was filed in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California in August 2008. Plaintiff in that case, Markham Robinson, is the chairperson-elect of the American Independent Party ("AIP") and a would-be elector in support of the AIP's candidate, Alan Keyes. Robinson thus asserted that he had a more direct interest than an ordinary voter. In particular, the complaint alleged that Robinson's status as a potential presidential elector and chairperson-elect of a competing party was sufficient to confer standing. The district court nevertheless dismissed the case, concluding that Robinson lacked standing because he claimed no imminent and particularized injury. In addition, the court concluded that the Electoral College process provided an appropriate means by which to resolve disputes over a presidential candidate's eligibility. Referring to the process by which members of Congress may raise objections to the counting of certain electoral votes, the court concluded that "[j]udicial review-if any-should occur only after the electoral and Congressional processes have run their course."
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http://www.michiganlawreview.org/first-impressions/volume/107

Snopes confirmed.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/mccain/citizen.asp

Of course you can always find lawyers who refuse to admit the truth and give complicated explanations in support of some position. OJ's lawyer can write lots of words explaining to you how he is innocent.

Being born in a military hospital is covered under natural born. The status of Panama is different than the status of the military base in Panama. You'll notice that they talk about all kinds of things but never talk about the hospital he was actually born in. That all part of a propaganda campaign. Get people focusing on McCain's birth, instead of the candidate whose current form of proof is a digitally assembled PDF that appeared in 2011. Meanwhile, Obama's hospital has no record of his mother being born there. The amount of suspicious evidence of Obama's past could fill books. One day they may even be written. He may even be alive. He may even be president, but that seems unlikely given how birtherism is currently considered a disease.

I think it would be great if Anonymous demanded Obama explain the questions raised in the Monckton PDF. That would be fun. Too bad this topic will likely get lost amongst all the other insane things going on in our crazy world.

>>17
birtherism is currently considered a disease.
Yulia Tymoshenko is part Latvian, part Jewish and part Armenian. The result gave Ukraine a corrupt leader, which robbed already poor citizens. So birth factor must be important.

"Birther" is the term used to ridicule anyone who questions where Obama is born, and prevent people from thinking about any aspect of it, such as the problems in his PDF.

Questioning Obama's birth certificate is similarly crazy and impolite to discuss in public to making a racist statement or saying that we didn't land on the moon.

It is amazing how such techniques are used to shape public opinion.

>>19
I wouldn't even care if Obama was Kenyan, I just want high and mighty politicians to admit they are not perfect, have made mistakes and are flawed like us mere mortals for once. Then maybe people would be more honest and wouldn't have to pretend to be perfect plastic faced always smiling "keeping up with the joneses" stuck up middle american "outgoing bubbly" soulless oversocialized decadent "too deep for you" pretentious fruity obedient "house negro" shills all the time, there wouldn't be so much hate, extortion and blackmail.

Oh well.

Does it matter?
Let's say it turns out he was born in Kenya. Does he not deserve the role by virtue of being the peoples choice?
If he literally stole it through voter fraud has he not earned it by being the most cunning and determined?

>>21
If we reveal to everyone that he is a liar doesn't that mean voters are resourceful and intelligent enough not to be duped and deserve a better leader?

Does it matter?
Let's say it turns out he was born in Kenya. Does he not deserve the role by virtue of being the peoples choice?
If he literally stole it through voter fraud has he not earned it by being the most cunning and determined?

You ignore previous presidents when you make these accusations.What if Obama was the least worst option?

On Mr. Obama’s copy birth certificate, the line spacing of the typewritten entries varies by between one to three points (1/72 to 1/24 in.) above or below the usual 24-point (1/3 in.) double-spacing. That variability would not occur if the original document had been genuinely typewritten rather than assembled piecemeal on a computer.
So typewriters are more precise than computers?

I can't be bothered to read the rest of this thing. They say shit like "forensic experts found" but then don't bother giving you specifics.

And can everyone please shut the fuck up about "layers" already?
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp

That Snopes analysis is wrong, ignoring several important aspects about the layers. It isn't just that it has layers, but their size, their location, what is in them. The layers were clearly created by a human for the purpose of digitally assembling the PDF.

People have looked at tons of software that does optimization and creates layers, but they never got it to create layers like what exists in the Obama PDF. Some of the layers overlap, which optimization software never does, etc.

Those videos spend a lot of time talking around the issue and don't explain how Obama's layers seem to correspond so well with what would need to be changed.

Anyway, I realize that part of the problem is that the evidence on both sides of this issue has credible sources. Both can't be correct, but nothing can happen if the evidence is unclear.

Typewriters are more precise than a human who grabs text from various places and assembles a document in Photoshop without carefully lining every character up on a grid.

Obama is not the least worst option: http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2011/06/president-barack-obamas-complete-list.html

Bush was better than Obama. People might not believe that because Obama is basically never criticized. Just like Obama's PDF anomalies, and what a community organizer does, his worse economic results aren't discussed. Obama has a worse economy, deficits, gas prices, than Bush, but most people don't believe it because the media don't report it that way. They reported Bush was the worst president in our lifetimes on the economy, jobs, the deficit, etc. How could Obama be worse? People refuse to consider ideas so "crazy".

>Obama is not the least worst option: http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2011/06/president-barack-obamas-complete-list.html

that's interesting i will look into it...do you have one for each president or at least the most recent 4 so i can get some context?

>Bush was better than Obama. People might not believe that because Obama is basically never criticized. Just like Obama's PDF anomalies, and what a community organizer does, his worse economic results aren't discussed. Obama has a worse economy, deficits, gas prices, than Bush, but most people don't believe it because the media don't report it that way. They reported Bush was the worst president in our lifetimes on the economy, jobs, the deficit, etc. How could Obama be worse? People refuse to consider ideas so "crazy".

that's beside the point. Romney by his very definition alienated large swathes of society and to be fair only did so well because white people want to vote for white people.

>>27
Don't know if troll or just stupid.

People criticize Obama all the fucking time, you know, like you are for the economy which is amazing considering that it was under Bush that the world economy crumbled into the sea.

>>29
Two words: Herbert Hoover.  The Collapse of '29 was not his fault, even started on the iniatives that Roosevelt would champion in the New Deal (whether or not that actually helped the economy recover; let's not make that a part of this argument).  Who got blamed for the crash?  Herbert Hoover.

And, heck, President Hoover at least had a lot of time than President Bush to do stuff for the benefit of the economy (eighth month after inauguration).  Bush was on his absolute last year.  Added to that, every time some politician did try to show concern that the housing market (at least) was all it was cracked up to be on paper, it was droned out under a shrill of "don't knock something that's working."

>>30
That kind of crash doesn't develop within the space of a year. Bush had EIGHT YEARS to heed the warnings and make changes but was too busy spending billions on wars and justifying torture, wire-tapping and illegal imprisonment in the name of "national security".

>>31
That's fine but that still doesn't make the economic recession his fault.  The cost of the war did add to the national debt, but so did everything else before and after him.  The recession wasn't even related to "a war economy," something the US can't even hope to achieve at this stage in the game.

Like I said, two words: Herbert Hoover.  The President of the time gets blamed for the crises of his time, even if they aren't his fault directly.

>>32
So despite being in a position to regulate the banks properly, it's not his fault that he didn't. And years of spending billions of dollars waging wars didn't negatively impact the deficit, right. Keep on believing that, apologiser.

>>31
As bad as that might be, technically it is only a minor factor as a cause of the recession.

People still trying this birther bullshit?

No, we now believe that Obama is secretly a robot that is planning the robot uprising.

Where is your manufacturer's certificate of origin? Were all of your parts assembled in America?
Why is everyone ignoring this crisis? Wake up Mal, this isn't a dream!

Implying that fiscal responsibility makes you a bot instead of a accountable adult.
>>36
The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure.  It is a sign that the US Government can not pay its own bills.  It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies.  Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally.  Leadership means that "the buck stops here."  Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren.  America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.

>>35
Shalom!

>Of course you can always find lawyers who refuse to admit the truth and give complicated explanations in support of some position

yeah how do you think the conservatist party manages to spread misinformation.This whole birth certificate thing is what you have just described.

>>37
Corporate interests have taken manufacturing jobs overseas and China does the world's manufacturing, the government follows suit by borrowing from China and other foreign countries. A partial type of autarky is good for a country (in terms of having some sort of a manufacturing base), but that idea always gets shunned.