I can quite confidently say that Obama will win the election even though I do not support Obama.
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Anonymous2012-10-22 10:25
Have faith in Mitt Romney and Lord Mormon, they will take us away from this horrible planet in a fleet of silver B-52's.
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Anonymous2012-10-22 21:25
They're both pretty much the same shit except Obama believes America can get out of debt by spending and borrowing more, because that's how you get out of debt, you take out bigger loans.
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Anonymous2012-10-23 2:21
>>2
Unlikely things happen, but they're unlikely. >>3
I know right, the elections are more a contest to see who can get the public to accept these policies.
That said, I don't see how bubble and bust debtconomics are in American business interests, successful investment requires innovation and the ability to take risks but flooding the market with capital warps the price mechanism, makes businesses and investors take the wrong risks and the resulting crash only makes them stop taking risks altogether.
Always the giant, burning strawman of national debt with you people. Good talk, thanks for the insight guys.
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Anonymous2012-10-23 13:49
>>5
What does that even mean? Citing spending policy as a criticism of the Obama administration is not a straw man and can't just pretend it doesn't exist as a massive, looming tidal wave. It's not just some minor policy that can be put off, it's a big fucking deal.
Take a look and tell me the entire argument is a straw man, go on.
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Anonymous2012-10-23 17:03
>>5 thanks for the insight
You haven't given us any insights, so I can only assume that your argument is so weak it cannot withstand rational debate.
>>6
Several indicators have broken historical maximums, yet economists like Paul Krugman refuse to address the issue and opinionated ideologues like poster number 5 seem to be all over.
What criteria do they think should be used to determine the levels of debt the government should take on? How do they address the cycle of bubble and bust that excessive lending can cause? What financial system do they believe ensures limited capital is allocated towards businesses which will yield the greatest returns? If businesses do not borrow from China (and other lenders to the government) themselves, how can they check to make sure that the government does know better and that policies like quantitative easing really are more economical?
We will never know.
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Anonymous2012-10-27 4:53
Obama may win the election ron paul could as well but ether way we are getting the same thing elections have been controlled since the death of Kennedy no matter who wins they will say there trying to fix the economy while really just digging the hole deeper. Also you will see more and more military control as well as privacy seeming to disappear we have been spiraling down toward complete control and being imprisoned in a slave state for many years. So lets stop arguing about pointless politics of why the economy is falling who's fault it is and all that and start focusing on the real issues like how are we going to stay free how are we going to get rid of this nanny state where everything we do is being watched and everything the government is hidden behind closed doors we need to focus on getting rid of things like GMO foods which are slowly killing us and fluoride in the water which is a proven poison we need to focus on the drug company's who every day push toxic drugs on people and charge them an arm and a leg for these drugs that kill them
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Anonymous2012-10-27 10:56
>>8 you will see more and more military control as well as privacy seeming to disappear we have been spiraling down toward complete control
Probably because they're trying to prepare for economic collapse. I wonder what is going to happen with all these welfare niggers, who are all armed and cant be easily separated.
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Anonymous2012-10-27 13:32
>>8
I was trying to take you seriously and then you said "we need to focus on getting rid of things like GMO foods which are slowly killing us and fluoride in the water which is a proven poison we need to focus on the drug company's who every day push toxic drugs on people and charge them an arm and a leg for these drugs that kill them ". GMOs and toxic drugs are totally helping our economy more than every other unoriginal suggestion you have had. The only way you could get any more tin-foil is if you started screaming about RFID's as if they were a bad thing and then called me out as one of "the supreme sheeple".
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Anonymous2012-10-27 14:29
>>8
I can attest the benefits of water fluorination against dental problems and for general enamel strenghtening as someone who grew up in an area which had introduced water fluorination. Our last dentist pointed out when I was asking about it that the only severe cavities he has to deal with anymore belong to people who lived in the area before the fluroination process was introduced. He accosted children for not brushing their teeth all the same but the risk of tooth decay was greatly diminished in that generation of patients.
The point of the matter, though, is that a region adopts the process of their own accord and the fluride stays within safe limits. If they don't want to, it doesn't happen; simple as that.
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Anonymous2012-10-27 18:56
>>8
GMO food is not "slowly killing us", peer reviewed scientific studies demonstrate the complete lack of any harmful element to any GMO products in circulation. There is not a single study that says otherwise, if you can come up with one it's because it hasn't been peer reviewed or exposed to any kind of scrutiny that will demonstrate the shoddy science used.
A basic understanding of simple logic for fourth graders allows anyone to identify what genetically modifying something is and how it benefits the world massively. It's the process of mapping the genetic code of a plant and altering the program; removing weaknesses to diseases that wipe entire harvests leading to famine and death; inserting genes that make plants produce harmless pesticides found elsewhere in nature, meaning you don't have to use toxic pesticides that pollute the water; and increase yield so you can actually capable of feeding people.
The whole thing is no different from selective breeding, pigs we breed for meat are something we made; they are a totally different kind of animal to the wild version we tamed so many years ago but that's apparently fine to eat.
The above are the reasons it makes me so mad to have to listen to anyone talk about GMO food "killing us". It's one of the most anti-intellectual, anti-progress statements a person can make and it belongs in the fucking dark ages where any entire village just dies because there was a bad harvest one year. The anti-GMO camp just has no response when you point out that if we all farmed "organic" food yields would be so low you couldn't feed the world. There are too many people and not nearly enough farm land.
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Anonymous2012-10-27 19:42
>>12
To add to your point, GMOs should function not as replacements for local edible flora entirely. If you look at what genetic modification did to rice, it created the strongest hardiest rice plant that can grow virtually anywhere vegetation is viable. The downside to this is the loss of biodiversity in rice - it is very hard to find anything but this ultra-durable rice grown, even in regions where a specific kind of rice could flourish. While the strength of the rice is formidable, that durability is mainly environmental; the consolidation of type means that if its armor is compromised then rice production itself is compromised.
inserting genes that make plants produce harmless pesticides found elsewhere in nature
This is a lingering concern even, as a proponent, I have for GMOs: it's very rare that humans try to introduce something from one location into one location for expected benefits and not cause worse problems. At least, with small animals and insects, our track record is considerably poor, even with exceptional planning.
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Anonymous2012-10-27 23:35
>>12
>A basic understanding of simple logic for fourth graders allows anyone to identify what genetically modifying something is and how it benefits the world massively.
Genetic engineering can also be used to kill.
For example, using DNA analysis, U.S. tries to initiate separatism in Russia, based on the fact that Russian population mostly consists of Slavs and Finns, which still aint completely intermixed.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1326447/ The genetically engineered 'superbug'—highly lethal and resistant to environmental influence or any medical treatment—is only a small part of this story. Much more alarming, from an arms-control perspective, are the possibilities of developing completely novel weapons on the basis of knowledge provided by biomedical research—developments that are already taking place. Such weapons, designed for new types of conflicts and warfare scenarios, secret operations or sabotage activities, are not mere science fiction, but are increasingly becoming a reality that we have to face.
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Anonymous2012-10-28 0:57
The real problem is that there is no way of combatting this. For you chumps out there who think not doing something is akin to stopping it from happening altogether, reality dictates that weaponization is impossible to avoid. If it is conceivable and within human grasp, it can and will be weaponized at some point. There is no stopping that fact. And, unless you did some development on it or up to it, you will not have not a significant comprehension of how to defend against it.
At the very least, we can take advantage of the relatively beneficial application of something potentially terrible when in terrible application.
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Anonymous2012-10-28 3:21
>>16
Not that it impossible to counter bio-weaponry, but it will heavily tax economy, requiring quarantines, redundancy and isolation, capable of stooping even small insect, which could deliver viruses.
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Anonymous2012-10-28 7:54
>>13
Which is why all GMOs are studied in controlled environments before any kind of mass production goes ahead. I mean, you know, we are aren't just splicing up plants and then throwing them into the wild willy nilly, hoping that they will work and won't upset the environment irreparably.
>>14 >>15 >>16 >>17
What the fuck does this have to do with genetically modified food? Are you trying to imply that we shouldn't pursue GMO food because... of biological weapons that are already outlawed by international law?
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Anonymous2012-10-29 17:57
>>8
Although some of what your saying is tin-foil hat sounding I can attest to the fact that GMO's are bad the way they are being implemented there have been several study's mostly on rats but occasionally larger mammals that have shown that the gut bacteria has began to adopt that BT producing gene while there has only been small studies on people it does seem that the good bacteria in our bodies that aid in digestion may be adopting the BT gene it is unlikely that other genes can pass into DNA unless transmitted by viruses but be that as it may the fact that these plants are approved by bio-tech firms that make them says that there may be some unforeseen consequences such as super bugs and irradiation of other non GMO plant species which is probably a bad thing. So yes GMO food in our food supply is largely a sketchy practice but when it comes to large scale corporations the human population is just a test tube for there ideas and probably always will be. PS. if you wanna talk about stuff that may or may not be crazy i would suggest starting slower and hiding your tinfoil hat
>>10 The only way you could get any more tin-foil is if you started screaming about RFID's as if they were a bad thing
That's because they are. They're nothing more than "security theater", and the security that they do have is quite easily worked around.
Obama win because both McCain and Palin are laughing stock, that the fact!
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Anonymous2014-02-11 5:32
>>30
mccain palin was 2008 not 2012, it was romney ryan in 2012
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Anonymous2014-02-11 13:57
What _I_ would like Obama to say:
To my fellow "Americans" that do not see me:
GO. FUCK. YOURSELVES.
I will not apologize for my skin color.
I will not apologize for how uncomfortable it makes you.
Yes, I am a black man. A black man whom like many, came to his success through hard work. That you have a problem with my success is not my issue. Go seek therapy.
I hate to break this to you, but this is not a whites-only country. White Americans are no more or less American than anyone else.
Have fun voting against your best interests.
But the REAL Americans have spoken. TWICE. And I ain't going anywhere until 2016. So suck up and deal with it.███████████▒███▒▒▓▓▒░▒▒▓▓▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░▒█████
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Anonymous2014-02-11 22:56
>>32
This is not a conspiracy. Stop looking at my number.
I didn't know you played the violin. I wrote a song myself once you know, but I can't read music, so I don't know what it is. I wonder... do you think it's this?"