Book Burnings

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJNb1h3npJA

These Orthodox monks burn confiscated Protestant books, due to their overly liberal content. Hope soon they will start burning Protestant Jews themselves.

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Lolwut?

Last I heard, you cease to be a Jew the moment you find Jesus. This because the Jewish faith is so deeply ingrained into Jewish culture.

And Protestant is a denomination of Christianity.
I.e. to be a Protestant, you must first be a Christian. And to be a Christian, you must first find Jesus. (Ask any preacher if you don't believe me).

And so; Without Jesus, no Protestant. With Jesus, no Jew.
One of history's little ironies, since Jesus was a Jew.

>>2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Protestantism_and_Judaism

Also, Protestants were the first one to support liberalism and Jewish emancipation (as if Jews hadnt enough right before).

>>3
as if Jews hadnt enough right before
If you're thinking about the right to lend money at interest, then that's actually a workaround (and a bad one at that), since Christians couldn't. They'd go to Hell.

But since the Jews were going to Hell anyway...

>>4
Sorry, but Judaism says all Jews go to heaven.

like in this Judaic movie:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_dogs_go_to_heaven

>>5
Jewish afterlife is, surprisingly, Earth-bound.  Theoretically, because the Egyptians are said to be a big influence in Jewish life around the time the Torah was formally introduced (yes, that time), Hebrew tenets do not talk about the life after death but rather the "world to come" (Olam Ha Ba), which is just an idyllic version of this world after the end.  Even for the immoral (however you want to spin that word from a Jewish context; I'm talking to you, antisemitics), they could repent from the punishments of their immorality in Gehenna and progress to Gan Eden ("The Garden of Eden") which would be their paradise.  Entry to the formal Heaven is still mainly prohibited from what I recall.

>>1
Russian goyim are useless and cannot be reeducate, they do not know how and do not want to. Russian goyim is inefficient economically. We have to give goyim the opportunity to fall asleep and become extinct. To rule Russia is to dispose of its mineral wealth and raw materials, and does not take into account the goyim. Any attempt to motivate goyim leads to disasters. - Dmitrii Lvovich Bykov, Russian-Jewish writer, journalist, and poet

>>6
Entry to the formal Heaven is still mainly prohibited from what I recall.
No one gets in.

>>8
Goyim wont, because goyim animals don't even have a soul. Lesser creatures. Got didn't even bothered to create goyim, like he created Jews.

>>9
I repeat, "no one gets in."  It doesn't matter what your belief system is, Jewish tenet has that no Earthbound spirit returns, save for the host.

Reading more about Gan Eden, however, there's also talk about that being close to the place where YHWH dwells after the start of Olam Ha Ba.

>>6
What bullshit.
In the Old Testament there is no "world to come".  There is only a place referred to as "the pit", or "She'ol".  Whatever influence Egyptian theology had on the Bible, it wasn't for an afterlife as you propose.
The afterlife, whether it be Garden of Paradise, or World to Come, or Gehenna, was introduced later (in the Talmud, IIRC, which is way after the Egyptians), because "She'ol" sounded like a crappy place to go, and nobody wanted it.

>>11
Whether it came before or whether it came after, I'm only telling you what other people believe.  You are disgusted because it is not part of the Torah? there were early philosophers who were disgruntled because what they observed was not consistent with what the Great Philosopher wrote.  Moreover, why would you care where it came from, as if that was important; you don't sound like you give a damn about the former or latter parts of the theology anyway.

>>12
I am not disgusted by Heaven or Hell not being in the Old Testament.  As you say, I don't give a damn.

You made a claim that "because the Egyptians are said to be a big influence in Jewish life around the time the Torah was formally introduced, Hebrew tenets etc etc".

I don't know what "Hebrew Tenets" are, but if it is the Old Testament, then categorically, no, that is wrong, the Bible makes no mention of a "world to come" as you claimed.  There is only She'ol, and it doesn't sound at all like "just an idyllic version of this world".

>I'm only telling you what other people believe.

That's very kind of you.  Let me return this kindness by informing you otherwise.

For the most part, religious Jews these days cling to understandings of an afterlife as promulgated by Maimonides (though most don't realize it).  This concerns the Intellect (or the soul) existing and pondering the eternal verities in the heavenly firmament for eternity.
A significant minority view which has currency in Jewish theology is that of Planet Earth, once perfected from evil impurities, serving as the world to come.  This is found mainly among mystics, and did not catch on quite as well.

The division between "Heaven" and the "Garden" is unclear and not consistent thinker-to-thinker.
Most important though is that no text speaks in an authoritative manner on the subject, since, at the end of the day, there is no hard-coded rulebook for Jewish theology.

>>13
I did say theoretically; that was my admission that I was not entirely aware from where it originated or got promoted originally.  Since I tend to focus on ancient civilizations in general, I knew about Maimonides, but not specifics about what he said.  That said, my post >>6 was fairly one-sided unfairly, and I apologize for that.

I don't know what "Hebrew Tenets" are
Just because I now have the webpage open thanks to this discussion, what are your opinions of the Mishneh Torah?

>>14
what are your opinions of the Mishneh Torah?

If we can judge Maimonides by what he wrote elsewhere, it is a relatively unimportant book which knowingly misleads people to protect them from the Aristotelian "truth" which they are too simple-minded to handle.  Much of that "truth" is given over in his Guide.

Historically, it set the precedent for other thinkers and writers to create similar codices.

>>5
You're missing the point. Completely.

The Jews were not making the laws when they got the right to lend money at interest. That was the Christian Church. Hence it doesn't even begin to matter where the Jews themselves thought they were going, it's where the church thought they'd end up.

- The Church said that anyone who lends at interest, will go to Hell for usury.
- The Church said that the Jews were going to Hell, as they'd failed to accept Jesus Christ as their Saviour. Hell, they were the ones responsible for Jesus being crucified in the first place! (And, yes, the Church also conveniently forgot that Jesus was a Jew.)
- The Church then concluded that the Jews didn't have anything to lose from moneylending. The Jews then just said «תודה רבה באמת» {yes, Google translate again} (or, more likely, whatever «Oh wow, thanks!» is in Yiddish {which GT doesn't cover}).

>>16
I strongly doubt Church leaders were so much retarded to believe their own bullshit about God and Jesus. They just found common tongue with the Jews. Whenever Church attacked Jews, it was always for economic reasons and frequently initiated by the Jews themselves. Like Tomas de Torquemada was Jewish, but decided to rob his own brothers. That is the Jewish level of morals and brotherhood: Jews will kill each other for money.

>>17
Oh but people can keep on to the most amazingly retarded dogma and still be comparably pragmatic. It's just a matter of which particular dogma is more important.
After all, the Christian scholars did (eventually) give up on those pinhead-top-dancing angel discussions &stuff, in favour of more important matters. (If only because, well, just about _anything_ is more important than that.)