If SOPA/PIPA Passes

The internet has been passionately fighting everywhere we can to ensure our freedoms aren't taken from us in these unjust bits of legislation.

So lets say it does pass - what then? It would show our voice - the majority of America - the people's voice - doesn't really matter. Our politicians would have shown us they deem their own logic and reasoning more than millions of americans.

If it passes - do we turn violent?

internet nerds turning violent

wud b laff

>>1

What freedom? too upload copyrighted and other people Intellectual Property to the internet and live off welfare state!

Get a job you little faggot!

>>3
Outdated copyright laws are a burden to the free market. Dinosaur businesses that can't compete with the changes of distribution and communication shouldn't be able to cry to mommy state for coercive assistance.

>>4 That is not what a free market is your idiot!

This is a video I made compiling all the important moments from the SOPA hearing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivg-itpixR4

The market value of research and intellectual property depends on how the alternatives would fare if you did not exist.

For example company A can research the cure for cancer a year earlier than company B, so once company A has found the cure there is no longer a need for company B to do so but if company A did not exist company B would find the cure a year later. Thus the difference in utility is that company A is responsible for saving the lives of all those with cancer, minus the cost of implementing the cure, for one year. The problem is in the real world it is impossible to quantify this, you can't be sure whether company B would take a year longer or 10 years or possibly ever find the cure, it could be that company A has a one in a million genius who is irreplaceable, in which case his contribution could be worth decades worth of saved lives.

The benefit of the price mechanism is that our decision to make investments and devote resources to certain products and services is linked to their real life benefits, the only flaws of the price mechanism is it's inaccuracy, not some inherent flaw, that is to say the fact it's flawed doesn't mean we should ignore it and do what the politicians tell us looks good on paper, simply deciding to do what looks good on paper to an uneducated voter or whoever holds political power is always less realistic than the price mechanism, instead of ignoring it rather that we should attempt to fix the flaws and gain a more realistic view of the world, if the politician actually has a valid argument we should simply factor it in rather than reject all the other indicators and facts that compose the price mechanism in favor of it.

>>7

Look i can type bullshit too.

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It won't be that bad even if it does pass. People would still set up underground communities which newfags would be too stupid to find. SOPA would be like the ultimate newfag cleaner.

I knew Moot Tse-tung wouldn't bother with the text boards.

>>9
Who here has never been a n00b?
Remember, the difference between a rookie and a luser, is that where the luser is to dumb to learn, a rookie hasn't got to the info he needs to clear the first levels. That can be already hard for ppl w/o friends that can help them, if SOPA et.al. isn't also going to slam every online door in their faces.

This goes doubly for ppl stuck in Inbredville and Lusertown. The power of the internet is supposed to be the way non-lusers can now get in touch with non-assclowns the world over.

This requires websites that don't dumb people down with adspace, product placements and payola galore long before the rookie gets to know that there really are non-idiots in there, somewhere, hidden between all the ads and the assclowns.

(And *chan is the perfect example of assclown-free forums. Riiiight.)


tl;dr: We need recruits.
We don't get those by knee-jerk excluding everyone who isn't already L33tz0rz.

I get that SOPA and PIPA are bad for American users of the internet.

But since most Americans can’t be bothered to vote (almost most can’t even be bothered to simply *register* to vote), I find the whole idea that ‘blacking out’ websites to be incredibly sanctimonious and hypocritical.

You want change to happen? ‘Blacking out’ a website won’t do shit. Start with simply getting off your fucking ass once a year (or even once every other year) and vote.

You don’t even have to literally get off your ass: vote absentee.

Americans: we’d rather say shit and hope for change than actually take the only action that *will* make a difference and vote.

>>12
So it would have been better to do nothing and hope people are informed on the topic? Yeah, that sounds good. We can take that risk.

‘Blacking out’ a website
will motivate people to:

getting off your fucking ass once a year

>>12
Lining the streets with the charred and mutilated bodies of our legislators will also make a difference should this travesty of a bill somehow pass.

Remember, hope and change! Hope and change!

Thanks Obama! You fucking nigger....

>>11
You missed the point entirely. If the government passes SOPA, it will give it absolute power over what sites Americans can access. Whenever a government gets this power, it does shit like outlaw Anonymous posting (See: China) and pretty much wipes out half the communities online.

The "n00bs" will still have discussion boards, but they will be under strict government surveillance, like in China. Communities who want to be free of this will go underground. It would be a bit like the internet in 1995 when the only discussion boards were the ones you had to use telnet to get into and were generally obscure to the general public. This, in my opinion, was the golden age. Only people who knew how to access them did so and there weren't any retarded 15 year olds spouting memes.

>>17
missed the point entirely
How so? AFAICT, you just described the same problem as I did.

FYI, last I heard, one of the things SOPA will grant the corpoliticals, is the power to have an offending website removed from all DNS registry databases physically located in the US. Btw, doesn't this include TLDs?

Hence, a «pirate» website (including those that distribute non-corpolitical truths, not just actual pirates) will not only be censored, they will be completely _invisible_ to anyone that hasn't already hoarded every more-or-less relevant IP address in sight.

This will not affect just the US, this'll be world-wide.

And so the clock's effectively turned back 50+ years, where us mere sub-trillionaires are really sub-human, with no voice that gets to be heard. Actually it'll be even worse, now that news media has been monopolised. Helped in no small way by useful idiots that will not see how a privately-owned monopoly is actually even worse than a state-owned one (that can, atleast in theory, be dismantled; the private one doesn't even give you that).


Imagine growing up in Inbredville, where everyone refuses to let you learn anything non-corpolitical (or even non-retarded) cos «that's hacking, and hacking's bad; they said so on FoxNews!» – I know, from painful experience.


This [...] was the golden age
A golden age doesn't stay very golden for very long without recruiting. Septembers that never end are actually preferable, even if marginally.
(…if we absolutely have to chose between only those…)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16642369

SOPA may be dead but that clearly isn't going to stop the looters and parasites in the entertainment industry.

>>1
I wouldn't participate in any action which hurt the innocent. Like most people I value human life a great deal. On balance I probably value a human life, however rotten, more than my right to free speech. In any event violence is often counterproductive and as anon we should think very carefully about it. Our most effective weapon is lulz and the massive amount of popular support we have at the moment.

But they day may come when I have to use violence to enforce my rights. All I know is I wouldn't be alone.

We'd need to think bout a force escalation of some kind though, should they ever pass. Beyond hacks, DDOS, occupations and boycotts what about withholding taxes? That's what they fear the most.

Reckon we could all find some way to either withhold £100 in taxes, or cost them $100 in another manner? What if we did that en masse, and taught others how to do it.

Then they will fear us

Ideas?

>>21

It'd be very hard to get so many people to do it that it really hurt the establishment and that there'd be to many to easily arrest.

You do know the SOPA is the RIAA/MPAA's idea, right?

You know who it is that makes the MAFIAA even possible in the first place?

You do!

Yes, you! You there, that just went and bought that Justin Bieber CD. Or Britney Spears or Backstreet Boys or whoever that …artist was.


Here's what we need to do:
Find out what labels are in the RIAA. Then avoid buying their CDs, unless maybe if you can get it straight from the artist. And even then I'm having doubts.

And that's if just simply finding a non-MAFIAA artist is proving too much to ask.

You wanna support your favourite artist? Go to their concerts. At least for now, the MAFIAA can't swipe the profit away from the people actually working for it. The artist actually making the art.


I've also been hearing about artists (don't remember any names, though) that tape the concerts and sell copies on flash cards afterwards. Like, already when the audience is leaving.

And so there are the obligatory naysayers calling those artists down for «being in it for the money, not for the art». Well boo hoo hoo, not all are as perversely holy as thou, someone actually wants something to show for their efforts. Someone actually wants to make a living and put food on their own table.
I heard about this person that seriously wanted to keep the artist starving in the street. His name was Adolf Hitler. (I know, Godwin's Law, yadda yadda). The RIAA are operating on much the same principle, just check the contracts they put their artists through.


Tl;dr: You want to support your favourite artist? Do it! Rock on!
Just find ways to leave the MAFIAA out of the loop.

(And just for the record: the MPAA isn't really a whole lot better (than the RIAA), but that's a whole different rant.)

>>23

Don't you even dare going around here you little fucking faggot telling people what to and what not to buy, GOD I'M FUCKING SICK OF YOU LITTLE KIDDIES BITCHING ABOUT HAVING TO BUY MEDIA.

Get a life or a Job KID!

>>24

Well...


Somebody's butthurt.

>>25

I see you want a life, good luck getting one, butteatter.

If it does pass?
Well than you will go to jail for a longer period if you download a Michael Jackson song, than the guy who killed him will.

>>24
I see your poster name and call your trolling.

>>24
Kid, you need to go out more and get laid. But if I got my psychology right, you probably suffer from erectile dysfunction anyway. You have my pity.

>>29
Not to mention he's behaving like someone that nobody in their right mind would want to fuck in the first place. Except maybe whores, but they cost money. And to have money, one needs a job. Which rules out >>24. Oh well.

And for the record;
>>24
Nobody's «telling you what to buy». I (>>23) was informing you (those who are able to read) the consequences of not paying attention to what you buy and from whom. Kinda like the «if you buy drugs, you support organised crime»-type ads, only truthful in ways the bigwigs don't want us to notice.

tl;dr: If you value your freedom, don't support the MAFIAA. Simple but true.