Music and film industries have been brought to their knees through greedy people not wanting to pay.
Now the same thing is happening to books, Why do people think they have the right to "steal" something that would have had to be paid for pre-internet days?
Soon the people making films, music and books like stop, and then all you little bitches will be crying!
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Anonymous2012-01-02 10:36
>>1 Just wait for the armchair experts here claiming that price justifies criminal action in illegal downloading.
What does that say about the lack of shame in our society that instead of finding illegal downloading repugnant, people play blame tennis instead.
If I spent weeks, months or years writing a book, making a film, I wouldn't want it being handed out for free, I don't work for free and thoroughly expect neither would any of the negative comment writers here either, There is no excuse for illegal downloading, None.
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Anonymous2012-01-02 10:36
Uh, no. Both are still making billions and the only reason they're making less of a massive profit is because they've been pumping out shit for years. Evidently people still love shit but some people are tired of it.
As for book sales. Book sales are down slightly because young people don't read books any more and grow up thinking this is normal. The only people suffering are retailers with physical stores because ordering online is so much easier.
I've heard that bands are on tour a lot more than they used to be, because music sales are down so much. I think that illegal downloading is at least partly to blame for this since most college age people I know download music illegally.
When I was in college I illegally downloaded a lot of music and some movies. I knew it was stealing. What made it seem different at the time was how easy it was. I understood that it is not right to steal something simply because it is easy to do so. But simply clicking on a link just doesn't have the same feeling as physically stealing an object. Also, back when I was doing this no one was getting in trouble for it. It was still pretty new.
Later I came to the conclusion that if to many people did what I was doing than musicians that make the kind of music I like may not be as successful and there may be less of that style of music made. When I had money I bought all the music on itunes that I had illegally downloaded. It cost several hundred dollars, but was the right thing to do. I still need to make the movie purchases though.
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Anonymous2012-01-02 13:55
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>I think that illegal downloading is at least partly to blame for this since most college age people I know download music illegally.
When you make this link you need to seriously consider how many people would have bought the music if they weren't able to pirate it. This is something "the industry" will never ask you to do because the rate is probably about 20% were as they assume it's %100 at full retail price when padding out their figures.
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Anonymous2012-01-02 16:09
So music industry is struggling, eh? Close to bankrupt, eh?
Is that why there are still plenty of record shops in my home town, one occupying two stories in a central shopping mall, another in the prime parade street open close to 20 hours a day?
Try buying something that _ain't_ the Britney Aguilera Wannabe Of The Month, though…
This whole "all our dip in sales figures is only cos of piracy" story is made of suck and dipped in fail, for atleast one simple reason:
When people fail to buy, it's often cos they Do Not Want it.
Example: McJunkfood sells fewer burgers in Genericville.
Are their stores suddenly being burgled en-masse? Cos surely, people can't simply just want their junkfood from elsewhere? Or –God forbid!– prefer healthier food? No-o-o! It HAS TO BE cos people are stealing burgers from McJunkfood! Yes, that's it!
There are lots of underated bands out there. They're not as famous as Britney Aguilera Wannabe's, so they need fans to buy their music even more than the really popular ones do. Even if sales are dropping do to poor material at high prices as opposed to piracy it still doesn't justify theft.
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Anonymous2012-01-02 19:22
>>6When people fail to buy, it's often cos they Do Not Want it.
Yet people like you, still download stuff that you don't want? Your talking bullshit again.
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Anonymous2012-01-03 2:54
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>Even if sales are dropping do to poor material at high prices as opposed to piracy it still doesn't justify theft.
What part of that post is trying to justify it?
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>Yet people like you, still download stuff that you don't want? Your talking bullshit again.
No, I don't download Justin Bieber albums. What now, genius?
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Anonymous2012-01-03 6:03
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I don't want it, so I don't download it. "Do Not Want" means "Do not Want". Emphasis Not.
Now who's talking bullshit?
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Anonymous2012-01-03 12:40
Soon the people making films, music and books like stop...
What? There have been people willing to make those things for free since forever. I can write a book in my spare time on my computer for free. I can even record an album for next to nothing in a home studio. Movies. Sure, those are still expensive to make. But do we really need more Michael Bay special effects shitfests anyway?
When you bring up the quality and price of things like music in the context of a conversation about internet piracy, it's easy to construe that as an attempt to justify the piracy. When you said,
"This whole "all our dip in sales figures is only cos of piracy" story is made of suck and dipped in fail..."
you are not necessarily saying that there is absolutely nothing wrong with piracy, but you are trying to downplay the damage it may be doing to the industry.
Will the music be as good if its mostly being done in home studios by people who don't think they'll ever make it big?
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Anonymous2012-01-03 18:55
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>it's easy to construe that as an attempt to justify the piracy
Yes, if you twist and bend the meaning so that it fits your purpose beyond what was actually meant and said.
>you are trying to downplay the damage it may be doing to the industry.
Again, yes, to bring it in line with reality. The entertainment industry is "on it's knees" as a direct result of piracy, this is not reality for reasons stated in posts you have addressed.
>Will the music be as good if its mostly being done in home studios by people who don't think they'll ever make it big?
Why not? There's no reason why it can't be. Compare existing low budget, high talent, indie material to big label, 'more money than sense or taste' shit and see for yourself.
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112012-01-03 20:49
Will the music be as good if its mostly being done in home studios by people who don't think they'll ever make it big?
"As good" is a difficult thing to judge since everyone has different tastes. Many artists are motivated by things other than money though. You can still "make it big" if you get a large amount of fans. And girls still drool over musicians even if they're poor.
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Anonymous2012-01-04 4:16
Music nowadays is good for keeping the sheeple, sheeple. Champagne showers!!
Most modern films and music produced today (especially hip hop and pop) is perpetually ephemeral, not for long-term consumption. As soon as it's seen as "dated" in any fashion whatsoever, it's tossed out into the dustbin of music, occasionally only brought up again due to "nostalgic" reasons, used in a trivia exercise (a la Jeopardy!), or pertaining to the artist(s) who produced it in some way. The industry has decided that it's much more profitable to produce and distribute music in this manner and charge exorbitant prices for a product that will become culturally "obsolete" in a year or two's (if even that anymore) time.
The industry in turn doesn't like the fact that BitTorrent exists, just as they did not like the fact that tape cassettes and recordable tape players that could record directly from FM radio existed.
Since the music and film industry for better or worse had declared to go into this direction decades ago, anachronistic copyright law has led them to wield more power than they should have otherwise. Copyright law needs to be reformed, because honestly, how much money is seriously being made on a twelve year-old Britney Spears album?
I wasn't trying to twist your words, thats just how it sounded to me when I read it. Enen though I don't like pop or hip hop, it seems to me that lots of people do. Don't you think that piracy might be hurting the music industry since it isn't doing as well as it once was despite there being lots of popular pop and hip hop bands out there?
My concern is that if there isn't as much money in the business
then it might not attract as many talented people and that it may be harder for artists that I like to promote themselves and for me to find out about them. I'd like to see musicians who make great music do well for themselves. I'm a "support the artists" kind of person.
I'm a "support the artists" kind of person.
Agreed. But musicians usually make more from playing live than from album sales. This has been the case for a long time. Go see your favorite bands live and then pirate away my friend :D
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Anonymous2012-01-05 12:21
Why do people think they have the right to "steal" something that would have had to be paid for pre-internet days?
It's really simple. The internet changed things. Before, distributing media was difficult and expensive. People were willing to pay more money for it. Now media distribution is an obsolete, useless service. So tell me, why should I have to pay for that service?
Let's look at music and movies separately for now. In the music industry, record companies spend most of their money to produce and promote. Thanks to technology though, production has become much cheaper. So should I pay a record company to promote something? Am I so retarded that I need to pay to be advertised to?
What about movies then? Most of their revenue comes from box office sales. I, for one, am willing to pay to see something in a theater because that's a valuable service. The experience of going to the movies and seeing something as soon as it is released is worth paying for. (The same could be said for going to a concert by the way.) Printing a disc on the other hand, is not worth paying for. Unlike music though, production of movies is still expensive. But there's no reason to think that piracy is "killing" the industry or that it will die any time soon. It will still survive as long as I'm willing to pay to go to the movies. Is the industry "hurting" because of piracy? Probably. Frankly, I don't give a shit though. The people at the top still live like kings and the people at the bottom still have to struggle to break in. Revenues may be down a little but nothing has really changed.
tl;dr concerts and theaters = worth paying for. DVD's and CD's = not worth paying for. The industries will do just fine this way.
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Anonymous2012-01-05 15:27
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It's just you. I never even liked those clowns.
>>12 Will the music be as good if its mostly being done in home studios by people who don't think they'll ever make it big?
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Precisely what I feel about Bieber and his friends. And?
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Anonymous2012-01-06 13:19
I don't see pirates as a big reason for the decline of music and movies and for that matter books. The truth is that most of the mainstream stuff isn't worth the money. They're all pretty generic, no surprises in any genre. If I buy a hip-hop CD, I get a good beat and uninspired lyrics about boinking hos. If I get a country music CD, I get some good banjo music with lyrics about pickup trucks. Same with movies -- probably 80% of them can be predicted just from the ad copy that comes with the movie ad. There aren't major plot twists, surprise endings -- or even sad endings.
Most of the reason that I'm not buying movies and cds is that there is nothing good out there.