Schools get 2 trillion funds,yet they fail

Why should we keep the Department of Education around?

When it spends about 2 trillion dollars of combined State, and Federal spending...each year!!!?

Clearly the US,does not have issues with teaching children, due to how little we  as a nation spend on the kids.

After all,we are ranked 20th something....

Educational results stopped increasing sometime during the 70s yet spending continues to increase, there is little correlation between state educational spending and results.

2 things can be done, if we're going to spend money then it should be on research to improve education, instead of just pork spending. Secondly we should probably cut down on immigration from people with low intelligence and stop encouraging those with low intelligence to reproduce.

peoples*

This is what happens when the government has a monopoly on schooling/standards of schooling.
I cant believe people are surprised.

I work as an IT tech in a school district. Education is a joke. It's about babysitting and passing multiple choice questions. The teachers hate the kids. The kids act like retarded shits.

They don't need money. They need shock collars and daily rape.

>>1
Why should we keep the Department of Education around?
Every sensible nation has a national department for education, and more often than not, it actually improves their standards.
When it spends about 2 trillion dollars of combined State, and Federal spending...each year!!!?
With funding like that, the US should be close at the top. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. Endlessly throwing money at something isn't going to necessarily make it better. The Department of Education needs to be completely reorganized, not abolished.

Educational results stopped increasing sometime during the 70s yet spending continues to increase
Then obviously something had happened before that time. It might have something to do with the fact that the Department of Education became a separate department from the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare in 1979. If it's really $2 trillion dollars in spending, and there's no adequate results from that amount, then as I've stated before, the department needs to be entirely reorganized from the ground-up.

2 things can be done, if we're going to spend money then it should be on research to improve education, instead of just pork spending.
That is true. Perhaps look at the education models employed by other countries, and research how their education is properly functioning with something that doesn't even take a tenth of what the US spends on its education.
Secondly we should probably cut down on immigration from people with low intelligence and stop encouraging those with low intelligence to reproduce.
You're going to have trouble convincing a lot of people on this point.

>>4
Then how come every other Western nation worth its salt has an education department that doesn't shit out endless amounts of money for mediocre results?

>>6

All one has to say is

---"We as a nation spend about 2 trillion dollars on State,and National level combined."

"Where does all that money go?"---


Once you got their attention,you say...

----"Why don't we try  reinventing education,and look at how other nations teach?"

"After all, were are ranked 22nd,yet other nations spend a fraction, and are ranked in the 3rd or 4th place internationally"----

You need to spend more.  Teaching is not an attractive profession, and enthusiastic people get turned off by the less than brilliant saalaries on offer.  You need to be paying them at least $60k for the shit they have to put up with.  Today's students are tomorrow's workforce, money spent on this is a good investment.

>>7
Yes, that's pretty much what I said, nicely summed up.

>>8
No. You need to spend EFFICIENTLY, not necessarily spend more. There's no reason why education should be in such shit shape with the budget it receives! If other countries can get their acts together with their education subsidizing, there's no reason why the US can't. But considering that this is 'Murika, after all, the whole process seems to all get convoluted and fucked up.

I partially agree with you on the teachers.

>No. You need to spend EFFICIENTLY, not necessarily spend more.

We try telling that to the spending fags here. They go psycho at the mere suggestion that you can't throw money at a problem.

>>10
No, I completely agree with >>9 and I'm a moderate liberal "spending fag".

>>6
Like which countries?

Throwing money at a problem won't fix it.

>>12
Pretty much most of the Western nations of varying competence and quality. Pretty much nearly all of Western Europe, the Scandinavian countries and Finland, Australia and New Zealand. I'm not sure about the UK. The former Soviet and Soviet satellite countries are lagging even behind the US (but considering their past, this isn't surprising).

>>14
Are you certain they are working the same way as the US? I know some countries use a voucher system.

>>15
I'm not entirely certain for every single country I've mentioned, but the huge majority of them have subsidized education, some more than others.

Yeah, so obviously more spending isn't needed, if anything we should spend on research and reforms.

Why don't we just plagiarize the Finnish education system and maybe at a bit of Shanghai's cram school meritocracy? I am convinced even if this results in initial administrative inefficiencies it will ultimately be good, even in the short term, because frankly the education system is so fucked up changes like this can only be good.

maybe add a bit*
What's wrong with my brain? How did I go from "add" to "at"? Weird.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/12/7/1291740184391/PISA-rankings-within-OECD-001.jpg

Interesting to look at, but unfortunately nothing with regards to spending. This 2 trillion figure being thrown around really needs some sort of source

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Education in this country (and now most of the developed world, including many peoples' scandi wet dreams) is incredibly fucked up. Read John Taylor Gatto's book. Modern schooling (not education, two different things), whether intentionally or not, breeds subservience. I'm not even some pissed off revleft'er.

>>21
John Taylor Gatto
Just looked him up. Apparently, he supports homeschooling and "unschooling". US education is shit, but it's not shit simply because it's compulsory. Every other Western country has compulsory education of some kind, and they vary from absolutely excellent to good, but could be better. Sorry, but I'm not buying it.

>>22
You fail completely in understanding that the compulsionary nature of Western schooling automatically means it's a propaganda system.

>>23
And you fail completely in understanding that the US is number 23 or so in education and there are other Western nations that far surpass it that are also compulsionary. You and Mr. Gatto also fail completely in understanding that the US also has a huge anti-intellectual streak, not just in its schools, but also as part of the wider culture, which, needless to say propagates toxic memes such that the school system is inherently "evil" or some other such bullshit, further dragging the country into the abyss along with its education standards that are approaching that of the former Soviet republics. And lastly, education also lies with the individual and how much he/she gives enough of a shit to actually educate themselves on top of compulsory schooling, and, of course, their parents. Of course, when you limit yourself to reading the drivel that Mr. Gatto publishes, one won't immediately realize how recklessly moronic taking his ideas seriously are.

>>24
And you fail meta-completely by not realizing that a heavily propagandized system produces failures in exactly those ways. We are agreeing. But you are just agreeing loudly, like some chump.

The core element to the American problem is that the education system isn't.

>>5
What the hell is wrong with you?

Wait, I'm guessing the same educational system you're criticizing may have something to do with it.

I concede defeat.

Reading Gatto during high school totally captured the experience I felt. Day in, day out, we're drilled the same bullshit and forced to regurgitate. I was interested in the stuff they taught, but it's just fucking boring. Childhood is a time to flower and explore and learn; there's so much potential being wasted or pushed down in totalitarian public schools. I remember all the bullshit I went to, getting crap just for doodling in my books - then being reconditioned in high school not to be paranoid about being creative.

A lot of fucking school damage.

And it pains me even more to see kids I went through school with punishing their own kids with everything that was wrong with their own upbringing in the first place.

Because getting rid of public education doesn't make anything better for anyone. Reforming is better than defunding.

>>28
Assuming it could be reformed.

>>25
And you fail meta-completely by not realizing that a heavily propagandized system produces failures in exactly those ways.
Right, which is why at least four other Anglosphere countries are doing much better and have properly subsidized public education without having to listen to kooks like Gatto for advice on how to have them work well in the first place.

>>28
I agree.

>>29
It certainly can be. Though, at this point in time, the status quo in public education in the United States needs to be completely scrapped, restructured and reorganized from the ground up. It would also help if over half of Dixie wasn't so Goddamned anti-intellectual.

>>28
Reforming is better than defunding.
When a system can't be fixed, it must be thrown out.

>>31
I think the real issue here is, that YOU can't be fixed.

Most kids nowadays are hyperactive obese brown little shits with fetal alcohol syndrome on ritalin and adderall and when they grow up they still act much the same except they pretend to be "gangsta" and glorify being a douche. None of them will study the hard sciences, mathematics, business or engineering, they will convince themselves they are superior and talented, study drama, art history or music then flip burgers for the rest of their life to pay off their inflated college loans while we brain drain the 3rd world to make up for the shortfall. This won't be enough however, the scientists we need will obtain positions of leadership then leave America, rebasing the industry in some emerging market before America collapses, better off in a lifeboat than the Titanic.

>>33
Most kids nowadays are hyperactive obese brown little shits with fetal alcohol syndrome on ritalin and adderall and when they grow up they still act much the same except they pretend to be "gangsta" and glorify being a douche.
That is of course the anti-intellectual culture that I mentioned earlier in this thread. People don't realize that education isn't just sending your kids into a building every morning and having them come out every afternoon. It also includes encouraging your kids to get interested in intellectual pursuits, and it's also part autodidactic.