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Blatant political propaganda on Wikipedia

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-06 14:02


"Regarding this map [ https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/File:Country_foreign_exchange_reserves_minus_external_debt.png ], I want to add that my intention in adding this information to Wikipedia is not to accentuate the indebtedness of states in the OECD to private banks, nor to accentuate the relative difference in financial options and increased geopolitical power of China relative to states in the OECD. My intention is to reduce potential volatility and turbulence in the financial system by informing the general public of broad financial dynamics because these dynamics may adversely impact the welfare, security and stability-of-life for unrepresented and underrepresented populations as well as for everyone in society. I believe knowledge is power and broadly dispersed knowledge increases opportunities for peaceful incremental change as opposed to violent, volatile disruptions to the economic and geopolitical environment.

    On a related issue, unfortunately, the publishing of this map and the dissemination of this particular knowledge related to debt may be used in the current, 2011, debate in the United States regarding debt reduction. Unfortunately, a singular focus on debt is being used to justify reduced funding for social welfare programs and reduced maintenance of aging infrastructure such as bridges and highways. And yet, this singular focus on debt is not similarly leading to calls for reduced military spending which comprises a relatively larger portion of the United States' discretionary budget than do social welfare programs. Personally, I regret the possible use of this map to undermine small budget items that benefit many people while ignoring large ticket items that benefit mainly the military sector of the economy. More jobs and long term benefits are created through these smaller programs than are created through spending on military items that are either destroyed, become obsolete or are decommissioned after a few decades of non-use.

    This map accentuates debt levels and thus a singular, fixated attention on debt reduction at this moment in history may be an unintended consequence of the publication of this map and dissemination of this information — even during a financial crisis when many pragmatic economists are calling for temporary Keynesian type outlays to boost the economy. I agree with most economists that now is a time to avert increased market volatility and a major disruption to the world economic system and I believe Keynesian type temporary outlays are the best option for now. We can focus on the debt when the United States and world economies have stabilized. I am a fiscal conservative who is concerned with the United States' debt, but I am a pragmatist who believes that market volatility and turbulence is extremely detrimental to most people. I also am aware that during economic crises, individuals and institutions with excess wealth benefit the most and the resulting redistribution of wealth increases economic inequality while also increasing the monopolization of many private sector industries. These characteristics — unequal economic opportunity for entrepreneurs and for everyone; economic inequality generally; monopolization of industries; volatility of markets, interest rates, wages, and unemployment — are market characteristics that I believe hinder the progress of all of society. --Peace01234 (talk) 11:40, 20 July 2011 (UTC)"


Contributions by Peace01234:
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/wiki/Special:Contributions/Peace01234

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-06 14:15

Needless to say, the map isn't accurate. His "China is the only wealthy country in the world." map has been disputed a few times (on https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/File_talk:Country_foreign_exchange_reserves_minus_external_debt.png ) whereupon Peace01234 refers to a crude data list on another page. My guess is that this is part of the chinese government trying to promote chinese yuan currency as a world currency.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-06 14:27

This is old news. The Left has been spamming and saturating the net with propaganda for years. If you can post to it, they spam it and try to censor anything they don't agree with.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-06 14:33

>>3
The news is that it's so blatant. He openly ADMITS that he's trying to spread this "information" in order to influence US politics.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-06 16:13

Usual blaming of the problems caused by statism on the free market. Market volatility occurs when something warps market forces and causes confusion, even major natural disasters cause less discrepancy than some new arbitrary regulation or tax code passed by the state.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-07 6:37

>>4
Just like George Soros and the liberal elite. I remember some writer, who looked like a lefty, interviewed bunch of far Left media people. They openly admitted that lied and tried their best to use whatever they had to demonize anyone who wasn't on the Left. He wrote a book. They were not very happy about that.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-07 9:23

>>6

I remember some good 'ole guy who did a thing, about how liberals and lefties are bad. Then he did another thing, and embarrassed the liberal elites. But I don't have specifics, because facts are liberal bullshit.

shut the fuck up

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-07 21:09

>>6
I request a source on this also, though not for the same reasons as >>7.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-07 22:29

>>7
Make me Lefty. Oh, but wait. The Left is all about wanting to censor anyone they disagree with. LOL!

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-07 23:10

>>8
Primetime Propaganda: The True Hollywood Story of How the Left Took Over Your TV by Ben Shapiro

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-08 7:41

There seems to be a lot of rightwing people butthurt over me exposing rightwing propaganda here.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-08 9:30

>>10

That guy's just a Christian nutjob.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-08 22:40

>>11
Really, where? /chuckles

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-09 0:02

>>&
I lol'd

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-10 6:08

I wouldn't trust Wikipedia for information like economics.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-12 1:52

hate to break it to you but the Rich Elite are not Liberal they are conservative.

look up the top ten rich people in the America.  They Overwhelmingly support Conservative causes or are 50% %50% in supporting political parties
http://www.forbes.com/wealth/forbes-400


Christy Walton & Family   Conservative
Charels Koch              Conservative
David Koch                Conservative
Jim Walton                Conservative
Alive Walton              Conservative
S. Robson Walton          Conservative

6 0f the Top Ten are conservative.    Your boggy man Soros doesn't event make it.  nice try

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-12 2:03

>>16
That's because a lot of them are spineless. They are conservative because they have money, not because they truly believe in the ideals of conservatism. Edmund Burke is spinning in his grave.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-12 18:33

>>16
Ok lets see, #1 is billgates who provides scholarships only to non-whites.

so, you call 2 families all of the top 6? What a joke. Things like patriotism and honor mean nothing to leftists.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-14 19:57

>>16
Nice. That is 6 people out of 300 million people. Liberal are statistically more affluent. Most politicians are wealthy. Obama is a multi-millionaire.  

You didn't actually make a point.

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