debt ceiling

it really boggles my mind that something like 60% of polled americans are opposed to raiseing the debt ceiling, and also that a plurality of voters view obama as to blame for this debt ceiling crisis.

so i am curious not so much as to your opinion on what is going to happen, but as to your opinion on how the american people, or people across the world will percive it? do you think that americans are really stupid enough to fall for the republicans destroying the economy to make obama look bad?

I like Republicans' idea of compromise: give us what we want or nothing gets done because we and we alone know what's right and you're wrong by default if you disagree.


....................all while ignoring the fact that the stupid assholes' wild taxs cuts for the rich and two wars with an imaginary enemy only to ultimately not help make us safer and instead make wall street richer at the expense of making America poorer is what led to this situation with the US being bankrupt.

The republicans compromised. They went from refusing to raise the debt ceiling at all to a short-term raise to it because they're smart enough to know that you don't get us out of debt by borrowing more money, so we need to limit taking on more debt before America becomes FUBAR.


Obama and his henchmen haven't given an inch, and they'll drag the country to ruins before they give in because they're fucking arrogant and think they're absolutely right and everyone else is wrong. And in case if you ahven't paid any attention to the news, the democrats have made it clear to the media and in letters to republicans that they're not compromising at all. It's their way or bye-bye America.

Obama caused this mess with his gross spending in his first two years. Small and mid-sized businesses employ more Americans than large corporations do, yet Obama threw them under the bus while giving massive bailouts to the very fuckers who caused the meltdown in the first place. Now he stands stupid with wondering why no jobs are being created and the economy goes to shit while Wall Street keeps on getting richer when the answer is fucking obvious. In case people are are too stupid to remember, remember 2 years ago when they were bailing out the financial giants, how half the small local banks in this country were forced into closure? And in case you never go outside, millions of small businesses all over America folded. That's what happens when you throw the real backbone of the American economy under the bus to focus on the giants who caused this mess in the first place.

Obama is doing this on purpose. He wants to break America so he can force it into such a state of poverty that the government has "no choice" but to rob and steal from everyone who has anything.

This is why anyone who voted for Hope and Change needs to be kicked in the cunt. They wrote a blank check to an effeminate negro who was part of the corrupt Chicago political machine. He never had a real job.

You'll be luck if any of us have real jobs by next year. Thanks liberals!

>>40

If you want the American government to burn in hell, awesome.  If you want the American PEOPLE to burn in hell, that includes innocent bystanders and starving children in trailer homes, I think there's some kind of man riding a nuclear warhead waving his cowboy hat who may in fact be you.

Debt ceilings are one thing, tuning in to the great media machine and pretending they're always right is a whole different load of shit.  Lose the conformist attitude, cut the cable, spamguard news websites and burn the newspaper to exorcise those evil news demons, then get an Xbox360 and play Halo: Reach.  IT'S GOOD FOR YOU!!!

Btw I think I smell a diarrheic fart coming from your ass... *BBBBBBBFFFFFFFFFFFFFOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*  PHEW WHAT A FUCKING STINK!!!!!

>>1
I enjoy the way the Tea Party raping the Republican party over the budget issue. Boehner almost sold us out.

It's nice to see people standing up for a balanced budget. That's all the people want. I think we're all sick of Obama's scams.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt5OE3_3zvM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_LQtXytLTQ

Real conservatives would want to raise the debt ceiling. Real conservatives are against radicalism, are against chaos.

Real conservatives are people like Edmund Burke, Otto von Bismarck, and John Maynard Keynes.

People who blame Obama and the Dems for the delays on the raising of the debt ceiling are being shown how silly that is, as the GOP won't even vote on their own plan as they do not have the votes--this is because the GOP has gone full retard and is splintered over what is essentially a pretty mundane task that has been accomplished many time before.

I sure hope everyone eats crow and just signs off on something, but either way i'd expect this to hurt the GOPs chances of holding any House or branch of the gov't come 2012.

>>48
It's also silly in the fact you don't even consider the President or the Democrat controlled senate to have any responsibility in the budget crisis. For how long have we been operating in the red under Dems rule?

It's always a blame game with you guys and the second that someone tries to fix the crap you created, you suddenly go on the attack.

All these Dems and not a one trying to balance the budget.

Doing the right thing means that you might have to do things that make cost you. Balancing the budget and trying to fix the problem isn't going to be a pretty sight. Politically, anyone who tries is committing suicide.  Yet, doing nothing means that the nation is doomed.

Obama and the Dems have no reason to fix the problem. They are parasites that feed off our misfortune.

since Reagan it's been a wall street guvmint

Writing in his autobiography, An American Life, Reagan said, “I don’t think that we’ll solve the problem of the deficit until three things happen: We need more discipline on spending in Congress. We need a Constitutional Amendment requiring Congress to balance the budget. And we need to give our presidents a line item veto.”

Reagan tried to get a balanced budget Amendment. Democrats voted it down. The Cut, Cap, and Balance plan was his idea.

Maybe I'm just totally ignorant about this stuff, but I literally don't understand why congress isn't raising the debt limit. I keep hearing that the debate is over spending, but the debt limit is the debt limit, it isn't the budget. If the Republicans want to cut government spending, then why don't they just pass legislation that cuts spending? Raise the debt limit so that the government doesn't default, and then once that is accomplished, cut spending.

Raising the debt limit allows the government to borrow more money, yes, but that doesn't mean that you actually have to legislate more spending. If they don't want to do that, then why don't they just, you know, NOT do that?

>>19
>clouded by politics
That's the problem, both parties benefit from inflated government spending so neither are willing to quantify the benefits of providing all these services to ignorant poor people, for instance education spending has continued to increase even though grades haven't improved since the 70s and there is little correlation between spending and grades between states. If I were tasked with increasing the nations's IQ I wouldn't increase education funding, I'd only let university graduates, asians and whites immigrate to the country and fire teachers if any of their students fail literacy or numeracy tests at the end of the year.

For how long have we been operating in the red under Dems rule?
Two years. And they had the largest recession since the great depression to deal with. The Bush tax cuts and war got us into this. You're delusional if you think otherwise.

>>54
You have a good point in that simply spending on education won't fix the problem but your solutions are retarded.

>>42
The dems compromised too. They went from not wanting to make cuts at all to agreeing to cut more than republicans demanded.

>>53

then why don't they just pass legislation that cuts spending?
Because they can't on their own. They're using the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip. That's been the plan all along.

>>49
>>56
>>56


why do you think we need to keep the debt ceiling low? gw kush raised the debt ceiling like 19 times, that is what really is mystifieing to me, is how anyone can think that it is more important to keep the debt ceiling low, then to end the recession. economic growth is tangible, the debt ceiling is a meaningless abstract. the only reason you have to pay off your debt is becuase you will oneday die, but the federal goverment can keep extending that debt forever, it is not bound by the same concepts of budget as a private individual.

http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/income-inequality-in-america-chart-graph

Why is it that Bush was to blame when he was president, and now that Obama is president, Bush is to blame again?  Something tells me that the person to blame is the last Republican president in office for you dems..  Turn your brains off autopilot for a sec, would ya?  We're heading towards a mountain.

>>60
Why? Because he really did start this mess.

>>45
The majority of the american people voted for Bush, and those who didn't, and who can't move out of the country before it's too late, I consider sacrifices for a good cause.

>>60
I'm guessing you're too you to have really experienced bushes presidency. A lit of our problems can be directly traced back to bush.  After our country was put into surplus bush enacted major tax cuts (creating a deficit in peacetime for the sole purpose of relieving taxes which predominately affect the wealthy). Started two wars of choice, created Medicare part D and no child left behind.  He cut taxes a lot and ramped up spending a lot.  He doubled our national debt while simultaneously enacting policies which would lead to the financial collapse.

>>60
Bush nationalized banks.

this mess is a long time coming, as well as more in the future. americans have lived beyond their means for a long time

dont forget about the wall street bailout.. AIG  etc. how much did that cost??? and who scared congress into it? BUSH

and who scared congress into a war with IRAQ? BUSH
how much is that still fucking costing us???

>>66
Who is keeping us in Iraq and Afghanistan for years despite implying we'd leave? OBAMA!

Who illegally attacked Libya without OUR permission? OBAMA!

Who supported and voted for the bailouts? Who's administration oversaw, implemented, and fucked up the bailouts? Who keeps wasting money on stimulus packages that conveniently went to his political allies? Who wasted 3 years ignoring real problems while he played golf? Who fucked up our health care? Who was supposed to fix Bush's problems? 

Seriously, Bush was an angel to the corrupt negro we have now. It's 2011 retard. Obama failed.

So who all here think that Dems are going to fuck us over and pull another fast one on us again?

>>67
Hmm, final Iraqi troops coming home at the end of the year, drawdown in Iraq to pre-obama levels by next summer with a continued drawdown

Bush, stimulus is considered a success, everyone takes occasional breaks, Obama has been particularly productive as president.  Also 99% of the healthcare bill hasn't even gone into effect so I don't know why you say Obama "fucked up" our healthcare system when it was already broken and the fix that you so despise hasn't been implemented yet.

The ignorance is strong with this one.

Oh and he didn't illegaly attack Libya. it was all well within presidential powers.

Let the muthafucka burn.

>>69
Doh, draedoen in Afghanistan to contingency through his presidency*

America's goin' down.  I personally blame our disgusting sympathies to caretake to the needs of the lazy rather than reward the deserving.  Obama's not too cool either, but neither was Bush, Clinton was an idiot playboy, Bush Sr. was the role-model for his baby boy, and so forth down the line.

Someone figure out how to get Nixon back in the game.  If America's circling the drain, might as well have an ugly dude be responsible.  Shit, that's how elections work now anyway.

lazy
Sure, because that's the only reason possible that someone could be at a disadvantage.

I'm not American and the fact that 60% of people don't want to raise the debt ceiling tells me americans are not stupid, at least not in principle.

They want what anyone else wants, to end with corruption and overspending. They also see that if the debt doesn't stop piling on, they will face higher taxes. It's the only way the government will pay anything, levying taxes.

Not american here. As far as I see from here, your main problem with money are ongoing wars.
Can't you just leave from Afganistan and Iraq? You probably won't even need to borrow money anymore.

where do you get these poll numbers from?

We are never going to pay china back. I'm not sure we ever intended to. Good.

Most polls indicate that very few people have any interest in raising taxes with our taxes already being high as they are. 

Obama should have went after tax loopholes and tax shelters that allow the wealthy to dodge taxes. Raising taxes on the private sector is simply going to stagnate job growth and benefits.

Case in point, the medical equipment tax that fucked medical companies and everyone else. We lost a lot of jobs for no fucking reason because liberals got greedy and stupid.

>>78
Don't worry. We're sending all of our jobs there and buying all of their crappy products.