it really boggles my mind that something like 60% of polled americans are opposed to raiseing the debt ceiling, and also that a plurality of voters view obama as to blame for this debt ceiling crisis.
so i am curious not so much as to your opinion on what is going to happen, but as to your opinion on how the american people, or people across the world will percive it? do you think that americans are really stupid enough to fall for the republicans destroying the economy to make obama look bad?
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Anonymous2011-07-26 12:32
People are retards op. They'll believe anything as long as it is repeated ad nauseam
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AnarchistSage!VoonmBZbSs2011-07-26 13:02
The state will fall, raising it will only delay the inevitable.
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Anonymous2011-07-26 13:04
>>3
So there's no reason to not raise it then right?
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Anonymous2011-07-26 13:08
>>2
what this anon said. sadly enough, American people are on average, easily swayed by what they see on television. it saddens me that this is what we are now: cattle and sheep
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Anonymous2011-07-26 15:17
I think Obama did a great job fucking up the economy on his own. It's funny how the liberal controlled news media is suddenly described as a proxie of the far right when the narrative no longer agrees with their opinions.
It sucks when shit starts to add up and cheesy slogans like "Hope and Change" aren't enough to mislead the sheeple anymore.
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Anonymous2011-07-26 15:31
the liberal controlled news media is suddenly described as a proxie of the far right
Keep up the good fight conservatard. Beat those liberal strawmen down!
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Anonymous2011-07-26 15:45
You should only take out loans when returns on your investment exceed interest payments in the long term.
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Anonymous2011-07-26 15:58
>>8
Indeed. And if we could just predict the future, it would be so easy!
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Anonymous2011-07-26 16:02
The problem with raising the debt ceiling is that it doesn't deal with the real problem -- we're broke and we keep spending like paris hilton. And what the debt ceiling does is simply allow us to spend even more money we don't have. As it stands we're $14 trillion in debt -- and that number is growing by the second. there is no way that we can pay off the debt NOW, let alone afford to spend even more money. I think the aver age family of four' share of the debt is $40+ thousand, which is impossible. even if we took everyone's money -- all of everyone's money -- we'd still owe shittons of money.
The only good thing to come out of this debt ceiling debate is that the republicans are demanding huge spending cuts. I just pray they have the balls to call obama's bluff, or we'll default.
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Anonymous2011-07-26 16:14
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Huge spending cuts are great but don't raise taxes on the wealthy. Got it.
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Anonymous2011-07-26 17:20
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Because cutting spending right now wouldbt endanger a fragile recovery.
If you take a brief look, you'll see Unemployment benefits just skyrocketting, while tax revenue plunging.
Deficits are normal in recession. They're automatically supposed to be created.
In order to solve this debt crisis, we first need to get our country out of high unemployment and on a normal growth rate. Flat growth in GDP, unemployment, and rock bottom inflation and interest rates suggest we're becoming like Japan.
Once we get the economy fixed, we can start talking about our long term budget problems. We should let the Bush tax cuts expire, and enact more Health Care reform so costs are lowered. That really solves a huge chunk of the deficit.
I can't speak about wars. We're already in it. I think strategy and our national security should be handled by the people who know best, and not be based on our financial situation.
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Anonymous2011-07-26 23:27
Somehow, some where along the last decade or so. I feel as if America has made some cardinal sin against democracy - as electing a leader that wasn't even voted in; everything just snowballed from there. 9/11, Iraq, the Recession, rising oil prices, etc.
I feel that is Gore was elected in 2000, none of this would happened and America would be enjoying a healthy future. Sure, I'm beating the dead horse here, but it's something to think about - this chain of bullshit was preventable.
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Anonymous2011-07-27 1:17
>>14
While I doubt that democracy is sentient or has a will against those who disobey it, I do think that once you open the floodgates to rogue ideas that harm the system, it's impossible to get rid of them.
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Anonymous2011-07-27 3:01
>>14
Economically, we'd still be in the same boat. We might not have invaded Iraq. 9/11 would have still happen.
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Anonymous2011-07-27 3:10
>>12
So feeding the cancer makes more sense. If you're spending money you know you can't afford to ever pay back, you have problems a lot bigger than a recession.
There is a difference between using a credit card in desperate times and trying to live like a millionaire by maxing out other peoples credit cards and then lying about it.
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Anonymous2011-07-27 7:15
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We do have some capacity to predict the future, it's called "risk assessment", and if taking a loan is too risky we shouldn't do it. Also there is a dynamic at work here, at a certain point paying off the loan to reduce interest is more profitable than investing in the economy, also I question the need for the government to decide to take loans and make investments on our behalf (even through lowering taxes as opposed to white elephant schemes like "cash for clunkers") in the first place.
Do I have to do all the thinking for you?
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Anonymous2011-07-27 8:37
>>17
Your analogy is false. The US economy is not a cancer. If anything it's the healthy cells we want to protect from cancer.
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This too is a false analogy. Government spending is different than a typical investment. Risk assessment on investing in things like war, education or making medical care more affordable is damn near impossible and clouded by politics.
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Anonymous2011-07-27 10:01
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Risk assessment on education and medical care is clouded by politics? At least try not to look like a retarded Tea Party crony and admit that a skilled and healthy labor force which is mostly paid for by ITSELF is a good thing for any corporation.
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Anonymous2011-07-27 10:43
Those 1917 Russians seemed pretty legit for a couple decades there, wouldn't you agree, comrades?
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I agree with you on your examples. But it's difficult to even quantify risk and reward on the overall wellness of a society. Everyone has a different idea of what a better America would look like. So explain to me how that doesn't make the issue clouded by politics? Just try telling a Tea Partier that Obamacare will reduce the defecit and you'll see!
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Anonymous2011-07-27 16:09
>>19
Actually, the deficit is the cancer. You can eliminate it simply by controlling spending. The analogy is true.
The government is by far outspending more than it can bring in.
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Anonymous2011-07-27 16:48
>>24
Fine. Then severe spending cuts are chemo, worse than the disease.
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Anonymous2011-07-27 20:41
I don't get it. Are Americans so stupid that the Republicans will vote down any plan and then point their fingers at Obama for the shit that happens from defaulting?
but i am curious, do you think most people will fall for it?
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Yep2011-07-28 3:04
Republicans are offering bill's, 5 total so far, and all of them have been vetoed by Obama. Republicans are now calling for Obama to release his plan, but he has not answered this plea for the last 3 days. Obama continues to blame bush for all of his problems. Yes bush is partly to blame, but really it is the American trend in spending that we have allowed to occur in the last 40 years. Also, it is the democrats in the senate that announced yesterday that they would not allow any bill from the house that didn't raise taxes to pass. Here lies the problem of federalism, checks and balances produce major gridlock.
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Anonymous2011-07-28 3:15
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What plan? Obama has no plan. The Democrats in the senate dropped the ball and ran away from their responsibility as fast as they could. They don't want to take the heat for the cuts that will have to happen anyway. They'd rather exploit it.
Seriously, you've described the exact opposite of the situation. Do you even watch the news?
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Anonymous2011-07-28 5:52
Even Jon Stewart admits Obama isn’t taking his own advice. Obama seems lost and confused.
It is not partisan or spin to say that the Democrats have repeatedly offered compromises. The real driver of the debate is that the fact that Republican majority in the House can't agree to win. Even Fred Thompson is urging Republicans to declare victory and get out. But that's the point. Their leaders cannot control their caucuses. The real problem at the moment isn't that neither side's caucus can accept the other side's 'plan'. The real issue is that Speaker Boehner doesn't have the votes in his caucus for his own 'plan'.
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Anonymous2011-07-28 9:34
Do you even watch the news?
What news network do you typically watch?
I like Obama's idea of compromise: give me what I want or nothing gets done because I and I alone know what's right and you're wrong by default if you disagree.
....................all while ignoring the fact that the stupid asshole's wild spending like there's no tomorrow in his first two years in office only to ultimately not help the economy and instead make wall street richer at the expense of making America poorer is what led to this situation with the US being bankrupt.
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Anonymous2011-07-28 14:36
Actually, Obama and Democrats haven't actually pushed real budgets. They simply waited for the Republican's plan and went on the attack instead. Even the lefty news media admits this.
The liberal progressives in the Democrats have shown us that they really can't handle simple things.
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Anonymous2011-07-28 14:44
The Dems have the Senate and the WH. I don't understand why they sit there doing nothing everyday.
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Anonymous2011-07-28 15:49
It's sweet to see America crumble. You elected Bush not only ONCE, but TWICE, so you burn in hell. I'll bring hotdogs to roast.