You can thank Gordon and his following of EU rules on that one. We pay £1m a month to Polish families alone that aren’t even living in Britain, where Polish workers in Britain can claim…..
The EU likes this because it fulfils their fantasy of us as one great big happy country. That’s what would happen if it were a single federal state.
It’s all so wrong but it’s too late. We will soon be a single, communist country – the United States of Europe – and there will only be one party leading us (the ones there already!). They will prance around saying we elected the European Parliament to decide on our behalf – haha – yeah right. They get laughed at and ridiculed if they don’t follow what the EUROPEAN COMMISSION want.
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Anonymous2010-08-18 20:11
So true. All you European countries should just go back to using your old currencies and withdraw from the EU. It's painfully obvious what's going on here.
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Anonymous2010-08-19 19:03
I, for one, loved the design of the old European currencies. The Euro is way too Monopoly.
I also opposed that bar code flag they thought to push. Horribly disenfranchising.
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Anonymous2010-08-19 21:12
Whoa fuck that!!!
I'm an antipodean so it doesn't directly affect me, but on my behalf get yourself out of it.
cheers.
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Anonymous2010-08-20 14:58
>>4
I am anti-podium, too.
I always feel nervous when I stand in front of one..
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Anonymous2010-08-20 15:45
>The Trajkowski family qualify for child benefit because their father works in London as a builder and pays his taxes
Coz they live in Poland, Why should we have to fund third world country's just because they to stupid to run there without fucking it up, they come over there take all the best jobs for half the pay and fuckoff when theres no work and still get free money.
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Anonymous2010-08-20 16:50
>they come over there take all the best jobs for half the pay and fuckoff when theres no work
Lol, dey turk er jurbs.
So... he's paying taxes, basically funding the same system that pays your benefits and he has no right to enjoy them.
I wonder what would happen if all foreign workers just up and left you whining sacks of shit to yourselves. Would that be beneficial to your economy?
Would a British worker get benefits in Poland, would he fuck, the polish are to stupid to work for themselves that why Poland in such bad shape, 35 per cent don't work, so they come to Briton for the better benefits, free housing, free NHS, free schooling and when they get a job get more free benefits for kids that are not even in this country too, Pay no tax and fuck off when things get really bad, why should my Tax go to this scum.
I now people who have done construction work 6 or 7 years ago the weekly pay was £500+ now the same jobs done by the Polish pay £250 tops, how many people do you see from EU looking for work in Poland NONE ITS A SHIT HOLE.
Even Africans will not work there!
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Anonymous2010-08-20 18:27
I would agree ,most Polish migrants don't really read the papers or watch British TV, they don't get together with people who are stressed about the state of the economy because their more expensive lifestyles and top-notch jobs are on the line, and they don't really think of the UK as a real, actual country - they see it more as The Place You Go to Earn Money, a kind of Neverland or what, where nothing bad ever happens, and even if it does, there is always someone British to pick up the pieces.
Sad, but true. The real world is in Poland, and now they live the "dream". And dreams are usually stress free - everything is weird, but hey, who's to worry, it's not for real!
Hard to say who's to blame for this fairytale image of the UK, I guess both sides are guilty a bit. NuLabor has done quite a lot in the nicey-nice propaganda department, and most migrants the world over tend to paint a fantastic picture of their new country to those who stayed at home, thus luring them to come over, and who will admit they had been fooled?
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Anonymous2010-08-20 18:31
Wyżej sra niż dupe ma
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Anonymous2010-08-20 18:34
If only Poland would mobilize itself and the people try to make something out of themselves instead of thinking that other countries will support them and help them.
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Anonymous2010-08-20 21:40
>>16
Don't be silly. Poland will once again stop existing for an extended period of time in the 21st century; European history is like clockwork.
1. MOST OF AFRICA
2. POLAND
3. MOST OF THE FAR EAST
4. Ukraine
5. Russia
6. Belarus
7. Lithuania
8. Czech Republic
9. Slovakia
10. USA
11. CANADA
12. UK
13. Mexico
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Anonymous2010-08-21 3:49
>>19
Where have you procured such an imaginary list from?
1st world = NATO+other allies aka Antikominternpakt 2.0
2nd world = Communist countries
3rd world = neutral countries in which the 1st and 2nd world wage proxy wars
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Anonymous2010-08-21 4:49
>>22
No no no. This is all wrong. First world-third world status is measured by GDP nowadays.
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Anonymous2010-08-22 4:04
Everyone complaining about the Polish stealing jobs...you guys know that all jobs are based around providing stuff for other people right? more people = more demand for stuff = more jobs. Poles don't go to work, come back and then sit in a cupboard until its time to go to work again. They spend money. Money that gets taxed to pay for benefits. Money that pays for other peoples wages.
Polish people - they are not job destroying doom robots
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Anonymous2010-08-22 10:16
>>24 The Polish don't spend any money apart from rent(were they share with others) and food, the rest is sent back to Poland, where they also get Both British and Polish child benefits, they make a killing in the UK.
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Anonymous2010-08-22 10:27
>>24
So if there were 50 billion people we'd all be millionaires? At a certain point more population only puts a strain on resources. We need to take measures to prevent overpopulation, especially since climate change and resource depletion will cause a reduction in the resources available while people in the 3rd world continue to breed like rats.
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Anonymous2010-08-22 14:54
The amount of retardation in this thread is astonishing. A few things to note:
The poles do the jobs the British public don't want to do themselves. Further, the British plumbers , for example, are being beaten by good service because they turn up on time and charge fair amounts of money.
There are further wrongs within the child benefit system like people on greater than 100k receiving child benefit too. However, it is all to easy to scapegoat Jonny Foreigner than reform the system.
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Anonymous2010-08-22 15:59
>>25 Some do, some don't. However most studies into the subject say that immigration doesn't have a massive effect on unemployment or wages, and what effect it does have is mostly on the previous wave of immigrants, despite what our media says. Those hacks would slander there own dear grandma as the love child of Satan and Hitler if they thought it would sell an extra 10 papers, yet everyone seems to take there word for it when it comes to excuses to hate those eeeeevil foreigners. Hell most migrants are drawn to a country because it has job openings that are not getting filled, and a lot of them are leaving the UK now that our economy is in the gutter. As an aside, the banks that caused that are a bigger bunch of welfare queens than every poor working migrant Britain ever took in COMBINED (migrant Voltron is comings to ruin our stuff!). Also, on benefits, here are two three year old replies to the three year old hack job of an article that started this:
To sum that up, it says that immigrants are half as likely to be on benefits as the native population. Choice quote - "The figures the paper itself is pushing - that one in six claim benefits - clearly proves that most migrants have no interest in claiming benefits because around 84% don't"
>>26 A 50 billion rise in global population would be a disaster, but this is not a rise in global population. A person uses resources wherever in the world they are, them moving to another country doesn't put any more strain on global resources. Resources get exported to where there are people willing to buy them. People move, resource allocation moves with them. Why would anyone even move to a country if they could not get what they needed there anyway? Again, a lot of migrants are going home now the economy is tanking, because moving to a country that cant accommodate them screws them over much as the host country. They are not morons.
>>31 Total bull shit they get paid by the government to publish that crap! if you paid them they would rewrite it to say immigration very much harms the UK labour market.
But than again it not them living in the real is it.
>>31 What about the mass unemployment, what about the 500,000 unemployed in 2004 and now we have 5 million unemployed in 2010, just five years after letting them in.
>>52
I would if I had SSH access to the 4chan server that hosts it.
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Anonymous2010-09-07 8:33
TELL ALL THE POLISH TO FUCK BACK OFF TO POLAND, THEY LIVE IN A SHIT-HOLE, THERE COUNTRY IS A SHIT-HOLE, THE PLACES THEY GO TURN INTO SHIT-HOLES.
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Anonymous2010-09-07 8:35
British job- seekers are being refused work because they do not speak Polish, it has been claimed.
The influx of Eastern European workers means the language is now vital for jobs in agriculture, says MP Malcolm Moss.
His North East Cambridgeshire constituency has seen the arrival of a huge number of migrant workers to pick fruit and vegetables, as well as fill other low-paid jobs in packing and food processing plants.
>>55 LOL, The British can't get jobs in Britain because they don't speak Polish. Laughable.
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Anonymous2010-09-07 9:26
Peterborough under siege by migrant camps.
* Immigrant communities account for 64 per cent of Peterborough's population growth attracted to the city by the promise of fruit and vegetable picking jobs in the surrounding Fen countryside.
* At the housing office, 95 per cent of the people who are seen by officials do not speak English and interpreters are paid £30 an hour to be on hand to help.
* Fulbridge Primary School in Peterborough has a roll of 675 pupils but 27 different languages are spoken with only 200 of the pupils having English as a first language.
* Registration at a local doctors' surgery has rocketed with more than 90 per cent of the new arrivals being from the EU.
* Peterborough has an estimated population of around 163,000.
Shut up, if it weren't for Churchill you all would be speaking German by now, listening to German operas and driving your volkswagens on das autobahn. GOTT IM HIMMEL !
"New study of Institute for Public Policy Research.
Following a national row over Poles taking British jobs and undercutting wages, the Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR) has published a new study suggesting that European migration since EU expansion in 2004 has had no negative impact on either UK employment levels or wages.
The Economic Impacts of Migration on the UK Labour Market study is based largely on data from the Labour Force Survey and Department for Work and Pensions figures on national insurance numbers from 2001 to 2007, as well as a review of the existing literature and economic theory. The report covers the period prior to the recent downturn in the UK economy and the authors say that, should the recession turn out to be as bad as the mot pessimistic predictions, any impacts of migration on employment will be miniscule in the grand scheme of things. According to IPRR, migration might even have a small positive impact on economy.
“The effects of migration in both the short and long run are too complex for economic theory to deliver exact predictions about its impacts on employment and wages. However, the best previous evidence suggests that the overall effects of migration on wages are either insignificantly different from zero, or slightly positive. The evidence base on the effects of migration on employment in the UK, though relatively thin, suggests that the effects are not significantly different from zero. All effects noted are very small.” says IPPR press release."
IF THE TRUE WAY DID I LOSE MY JOB TO A POLE, WHO WORKS FOR HALF THE MONEY?
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Anonymous2010-09-09 11:45
Trouble brewing at Twinings tea factory as 263 sacked factory workers are told to Train Polish replacements before you leave.
The have been purveying the art of British tea-making to the world for more than 300 years.
But staff at Twinings were none too pleased when told about the firm's plans for its latest exports: their jobs.
And yesterday workers at its Tyneside factory accused bosses of 'rubbing salt into the wound' after being asked to train up their Polish replacements.
twinings
The entrance to the Twinings Tea Factory in North Shields, North Tyneside. Workers there have accused bosses of 'rubbing salt into the wound' after being asked to train up their Polish replacements
Twinings announced last November it would be closing the North Shields plant with the loss of 263 jobs as all production transferred to Poland by September 2011 as part of an efficiency drive.
But now it has also decided to bring the Polish staff to Tyneside to be trained, starting next week.
One worker, who did not want to be named, said: 'They are taking our jobs yet we have to train them. There's a lot of animosity here towards them, people are very angry.'
Usdaw union representative Jayne Shotton said: 'The workers at Twinings had resigned themselves to the fact their jobs were going to Poland.
'But I think to bring Polish workers over here and expect them to be trained by Twinings workers who are losing their jobs is like rubbing their noses in it.
'Twinings have never consulted with us on this and I will certainly be talking to them about it.
Twinings Tea Bags
Twinings announced last November it would be closing the North Shields plant with the loss of 263 jobs
'Workers are extremely angry and I can fully understand their resentment.'
A spokesman for Twinings said there would be two waves of employees from Poland visiting for three weeks at a time.
She said: 'Next week Twinings will be welcoming a handful of new employees from Poland to the North Shields site. They will be visiting to familiarise themselves with the tea-making process and receive training.
'While we recognise that this has been a very difficult time for our employees at North Shields and appreciate that some people would prefer not to participate, many employees are willing to help carry out this training.'
Twinings was founded in London in 1706 and claims to be one of the first companies to introduce teadrinking to the English.
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Anonymous2010-09-09 19:27
I’m sorry but I’m sick hearing about polish people being exploited, they are willing to come here and work for a pittance becouse that pittance is in fact a fortune back in poland, it has already been stated that a returning polish worker to poland is expected to be rich and generous, would expect to be able to build a nice big house etc, all fine and dandy, except thats our money going out of our pot back to Poland insteadof being circulated around our country, to build a nice big house in poland, Engish people can’t work for peanuts cos they need to build a life here, this is where our roots are, we can’t just bugger off to poland if it all goes wrong, peple can’t earn a decent living wage cos the employers prefer to pay a pittance to the polish.Once again THATS OUR MONEY GOING OUT OF OUR POT, No wonder this country is in such a mess when people can come here, pay not a penny in contributions, get housing benefits health care(don’t even get me started about what my poor parents ,who have paid contributions all their lives are being refused in terms of healthcare because the nhs is so stretched now) education for their kid, not to mention family allowance. As for polish not stabbing or drinking , perleeeeze,tr telling it to someone who don’t have t witness it night after night, the polish men love a good drink and a fight!!!!!!!
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Anonymous2010-09-10 13:40
>>69
That's what you got when you voted for Labour. "Britain Without Borders" If you have ever voted for any Labour candidate in any election, then the man in the mirror is to blame for your misery.
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Anonymous2010-09-10 13:52
1. MORE than half of the 800,000 Polish immigrants in Britain do not work or pay taxes.
Do you Limeys want to be a nation on benefit watching immigrants work for peanuts?
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Anonymous2010-09-10 21:42
I've addressed this before, but it's often quite simple and I've witnessed it first hand.
Migrant workers come from countries where £1 stretches miles further than it does here.
They effectively work for more money than their native counterparts, because their wages are going home to be invested in their future.
I've seen migrant workers crammed into houses in Slough - quite awful living conditions, even for young, single people - and it isn't the culmination of their lifelong dream. It's a means to an end. That end is a life of (relative) prosperity back home.
The British workers on the same wage doesn't have this pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. He's stuck here, with the sky-high rents, the sky-high utility prices, the sky-high...you get the picture.
This is basic stuff, and yet you'd be surprised how people from both left and right choose to ignore it.
Even Norman Tebbit sings the praises of migrant workers if they're the right kind - Poles, Slovaks, etc. Because they depress wages and increase the labour surplus (thus reducing bargaining power), which is Norm's dream.
On the other side, Evan Davies does a documentary for the BBC which neglects to mention those different motivations and rewards I've mentioned , and goes down the route of saying `look at the white working class, what a bunch of uppity layabouts, eh?`
But even the Telegraph conceded yesterday that it's not so much that Britons are unwilling to work: It's the fact that work, increasingly, does not provide a decent standard of living.
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Anonymous2010-09-10 22:13
Large part of the West have broken labor markets, UK and US in particular. The open borders - and almost unregulated immigration that creates close to infinite supply of labor - are definitely at least partially responsible for this broken labor market. Detached ethnic-mongers and multi-culturalists, like Gary Younge, can write meaningless prose and deny the nose between their own eyes, but it changes nothing with this reality.
The older generation in the West has abandoned its young. They have denied them meaningful chance at jobs, middle-class income, decent retirement, etc... Instead they have created a society that caters to the old and wealthy, provides free everything in sight to pensioners, charges young people for everything (education), support pyramid like asset inflationary bubbles to again help the old and the rentier class. On top of it they preach to us about "open borders" and how adding substiantally to supply of labor just doesn't have any impact on job prospects for the young. Really? There is really "no proof"? Are we in kindergarden or what? Have any of these people ever bothered to think about the nonsense they are saying?
Eating one's young is usually a latter stage of civilizational decline. If our elders really insist on doing it, then we should drop our part of the inter-generational contract. After all the services that the old and the wealthy require, the value of their assets, the value of their "earned pensions", the value of their real estate - all of these only make sense if the younger generation chooses to honor them. Paper money is just that: paper, unless there is a deal with younger people to honor it. And threatening us with unlimited immigration (read: plentiful and cheap labor to serve them) can only go so far.
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Anonymous2010-09-11 3:21
Phase 1: Open the UK Boarders.
Phase 2: Sack British Workers
Phase 3: Replace British Workers With Cheaper labour (Polish ETC).
Phase 4: Close Down UK Factory's.
Phase 5: Move Factory To Poland.
Phase 6: Employ More EU workers in that country at half the UK wage!
sound like what happened to the USA when trade negotiations opened with china.
only they don't have a representative government...
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Anonymous2010-09-11 11:05
The economic downturn reveals the underlying resentment against immigration and not 'of' immigration.
This article is pitiful for a number of reasons.
Firstly, Lojek-Magdziarz's objections seem to hinge on the usual strand of Polish snobbery that 'we' are not 'cheap labour'. The underlying assumption that but for our history 'we' would be better than 'you'
Some Poles who see themselves as very 'kulturalny' resent being seen as outsiders having been neuroticaly obseesed with being so Western and more intelligent than those English they routinely describe as lazy and 'glupie'.
My wife is Polish and works in a cash exchange bureau, so if you you want the whole gamut of Polish gossip about how ugly British women are and how Poles look down their noses at Britain then I can provide it.
It must be depressing to have studied Polish philology at Jagiellonin University for 5 years only to work in Coffee Republic but the Polish education system is crap and everybody cheats.
On a PKS bus coming back from Ustriki Dolne on the way to Krosno I heard students saying the only thing they have learnt at university is how to drink and how to cheat in exams.
The reason so many relatively educated Poles 'had' to come to Britain was because their education is useless but gives them a sense of being something.
Usually how to make vast generalisations and dogmatic assertions without needing to consider evidence to the contrary or develop debating skills or techniques.
The result is a culture in which people opine with grandiose statements and florid language what is, in fact, utter drivel and fail to engage or listen with what others are actually telling them.
This is hardly conducive to developing good business skills and the kind of mentality that will help Poland develop economically. Thus meaning mass migration wouldn't be so necessary.
Secondly, Poles were admitted because they are cheap labour and to drive wages down and save the government having to do such tedious and expensive things such as invest in training programmes and apprenticeships.
A common complaint, apart from how stupid British people are to have an economy strong enough to give them employment, is how useless and spoilt they are.
If the average Briton had heard what Poles were saying about them, they might be tempted to write an article making vast generalisations about them and playing the 'lets play taking offence' card.
But that might say more about the writer than the real nature of the problem.
Let's face it:if Poles don't like it in Britain they can go back and, as someone who lives in Poland, I think they should come back where they belong and build Poland.
Or stop the whining and snobbery because it is easy to do so as an outsider and the stereotypes you here from ex-pats are somehat tedious
( eg the Poles stare at you, the customer service is shit, the women are fickle or gold diggers, the men can't dress very well, she's too hot for him, all Poles are quarrelsome snobs who thinks they're always correct, they are Catholic bigots, fanatics, etc etc yawn...........
Here we go again, the same old problem and the same old comments. This will save time, just choose one of the following:
OPTION A - I believe immigrants are responsible for all the ills of Britain and should go back where they came from. This means that I also accept that I may be descended from immigrants myself, in which case I don't mind being repatriated back to a country whose language I don't speak.
OPTION B - Britain is a nation built on immigration, always was and always will be. As such I also accept that I may have Albanian sex traffickers, Turkish drug gangs and Belgian paedophiles living in my area and have to deal with the consequences.
That should do. And for those of you who go for Option A, as a Welsh person I'd like to point out that you English immigrants should 'Get Orff My Land!!!'