I live in one of many european countries where looking out for the people has been replaced by segregation and oppression, where human rights are infringed on behalf of media propaganda intentionally spreading public hysteria in order to sell.
The media is controlling the government by now, and the media wants the public to fear, because when the public fear, they want to read as much as possible about the threat, and they do things worth writing about.
Strained under the pressure to please their new master, the government has failed to sustain proper public education, proper public healthcare, and even proper law enforcement. We have a puppet government in the hands of the media, who in turn doesn't care.
My prefered method:
It's complicated to oppose ones government with civil disobediance in a way that won't cause it to adapt to me by making an example out of me, statistical or otherwise.
Let's for example say I start a criminal career. Then the media will pick up on "the safety of our nation" being threatened, and propagate for more funds being spent on law enforcement. They will try to use anything I do against them, to their advantage. Courts and police stations are already more or less being built as medieval castles in order to withstand attacks.
They adapt! Don't let them!
Personally, I find refusal to work a good method. There is nothing they can say about that:
If you go to a segregated school or class, you can get depressed. It's not your fault if you do. The media can't write headlines along the lines of "21 year old loon gets depressed by school" without making you look better than the school.
You can seek help for this depression, but you can refuse to take the prescribed "cure-all" medication. Again, proper public healthcare SHOULD have actual therapy for you, but it's failing, so the media can't go "21 year old loon doesn't take his meds, requesting proper therapy" without making you the hero.
You are exploiting the flaws of the system, without being unethical. All you have to do is to surrender your "work ethics", by remembering that this is the states only income (taxes), and that you will not pay for government oppression. They can't outlaw not feeling proud.
...so you retire due to health reasons. You can live a confortable lifestyle in my country, while instead of paying the government, you are actually costing money. You are defeating the government financially. It's not as much as jailtime costs them, but if people end up in jail, the media can spin that to create even more fear.
This might be a weak method, though. What do you consider to be effective (realistic) methods?
you sure do a lot of good for your cause by being a welfare parasite and preaching that as the way to be
keep on going and we shall finally be able to get rid of anarchist scum like you for good pretty soon
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Anonymous2010-04-28 8:03
>>2
Dude, I'm listening (for about five more minutes - I have stuff to do).
How exactly will you be able to "get rid of" products of the flaws in your own failing society?
You see, I would LOVE to see random massacres of innocent people like myself being added to your list of flaws. Try it! See how competitive and productive your country gets once it has amputated the foot it has shot itself in.
>>3
Don't bother arguing with a Stormfag. It's like trying to convince a sociopath that his actions harm others. As for a rational rebuttal to your essay here, I have to say it's not the way to go. Yes, the media is co-opted, yes the government no longer represents the people. However, being on welfare is not the way to protest that. Honestly there really is no way to verbally protest against what the government does, but what you can do is start buying local, try to buy whatever you can that's made in your country, and I don't know how farming is nowadays in Europe, but here in the USA, I try to avoid "factory farm" food and buy from more local producers.
Also, taking steps to try to "get off of the grid" a little can go a long way as well. Try to take up a skill. Some do carpentry, making their own cabinets or shelves, grow your own vegetable garden, etc. Basically, try to do more things independently, instead of relying on other companies and/or big producers to do that for you. Obviously in this day and age, not everything in life can be done this way, but it's certainly a start.
Buying local strengthens the economy of a region within a country, while buying things from overseas makes a country dependant and economically weak.
Also, becoming economically independant will not do anything but good to ones country. Living on wellfare really is the living of choice if you want to drain a country.
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Anonymous2010-04-30 5:10
>>7
That must be why Iceland is a 1st world country, instead of buying coffee from those evil fucking central American assholes who think they can steal business from Iceland's coffee growers they buy local and enrich the diverse local economy.
>>8
I do not have indepth knowledge of Iceland's economy so you'll need to be more specific if you want me to be able to tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
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Anonymous2010-04-30 11:36
>>10
Obviously you can only grow coffee in Iceland in greenhouses at great expense, I was using this extreme example of why "buying things from overseas" is justified to prove you wrong.
>>7
I was more thinking along the lines of "getting off the grid", since obviously this anarchist (the OP) is not happy with government and society. So basically a feasible solution to that is to become much more independent, and perhaps even join a small commune.
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Anonymous2010-05-01 13:09
>>8
Sarcasm or not, Iceland and Africa are both completely irrelevant examples:
Iceland will not be an industrial country for long. They had some real weird economy going for them that has seized working about six months ago.
Africa is a developing nation that has had its export really exploited, and whose main problem is civil war.
>>12
Yeah, I get it, you are telling me to fuck off, but here's an alternative: We relocate THEM - all the capitalisic media and the whole spineless failure of a government - to "a local commune" or a "reservation" or whatever, where they can sit and rot, far away from their millions of victims. Running away from the problem is not an acceptable solution.
That includes all strategies, subversion, using honesty and generosity in particular times to make your group 'better' more appropriate for rule. Murder, conspiracy, shadowboxing. Misinformation, control of media, sapping funds, pooling funds together to gain control and destroy those in control, actually taking over and fighting.
A street fighter who wants to win, becomes a better street fighter, even if it means pulling out a knife, they already have, we need a fucking Katana. Ruthless focus on objective, never letting down, complete guerrilla warfare, fake names, fake leaders, ethics are a draw back in war, you only need to seem like you have ethics when it is politically beneficial.
It is ethical to destroy an un-ethical structure unethically to create a more ethical one. 100%
Lets get to taking over!
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Anonymous2010-05-01 23:26
>>13 Yeah, I get it, you are telling me to fuck off
Not really. I was presenting a realistic solution and not silly pipe dreams.
We relocate THEM - all the capitalisic media and the whole spineless failure of a government - to "a local commune" or a "reservation" or whatever, where they can sit and rot, far away from their millions of victims. Running away from the problem is not an acceptable solution.
I'm not advocating running away from the problem, but how you even conceive of trying to get all these power hungry money junkies to their own "commune"? One of the big trends going on is a resurgence of the old style Mom and Pop shops, being that big mega malls are expected to become akin to ghost towns within a year or two.
What I'm suggesting is buying local, protect yourself and your family, we're a nation of 300 million people, and we need to start to do business with each other, not do what the corporations with their televised propaganda tells us what to do. I'm not saying to "fuck off", but rather advocating something much more realistic and achievable. The more that people do this, the power of the state and the corporations will dissolve away.
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Anonymous2010-05-02 10:39
>>14
Truth told. Realpolitik will always be the most reasonable position.
Real or effective politics are using subversion against subversion. Or if there are means to, destroying the subversive, which may or may not be possible currently so employing all strategies to make a righteous power structure rise is a linear realpolitik from the peoples perspective.
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Anonymous2010-05-14 3:25
>>19
Whatever the commissar says is righteous is righteous. Amirite?
You first bro, I'd rather attempt to construct a practical societal system, but I'll pretend that I agree with you, wait till you an hero and then go to Guatemala and buy a Iguana u knOW?.
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Anonymous2010-05-16 4:50
>>22
A super happy perfect utopia is impossible? Yeah so?
If you can't face reality maybe you should kill yourself.
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Anonymous2010-05-17 1:19
I just like to exaggerate points to the point where the most reasonable of conclusive scenarios also seems ludicrous when paired with an impossible scenario where everyone in the world is right and gets everything they desire for eternity.
>>27
Certainly the ten planks can be equated as communism's version of the ten commandments. How ironic, being that in pretty much all communist states that ever existed, atheism was the only acceptable view.
Thanks for letting me know about the ten planks, lol just read up on them.
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Anonymous2010-05-26 20:21
Hey OP, are you still here?
I am NEET, 24 and leech from my mother right now.
But she can't support me anymore, i don't want to be on wealthfare, because it doesn't mean you don't have to work or anything. No it means that you are a slave of the working bureau and you need to follow every order.
I still have some pride left and sitll don't want to find a job just to support this shitty life.
Also i can't without repaying my debts (forced health care insurance).
So this leaves me with only THREE OPTIONS
1. Find illegal employment
2. End up as a beggar
3. Kill yourself
The first option is really unrealistic, because i am more or less a social retard, very shy and avoidant, also i don't know anyone besides my mother.
So it's actually dying a slow dreadful death as a beggar OR kill yourself.
>>30
4. Become a mountain hermit, hunting down small game and foraging when you're hungry.
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Anonymous2010-06-07 2:49
Well, you could always look for an Anarchist Organization or join a Commune if you lean to that side of Anarchism. The most important thing to remember if you're trying to be active is to well...be active. Network, pass out flyers, put up notices, participate at rallies or protests. I would highly recommend joining a group or network with similar interests if you can manage to find one. An excellent site for leftist networking is Revleft. Look it up, comrade.
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Anonymous2010-06-07 2:57
>>33
I feel like a faggot passing out flyers, especially since most anarchist/leftist organisations are fucking stupid with no logic whatsoever.
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Anonymous2010-06-07 5:17
Of course, some organization are good, some organization are bad. But it doesn't prove that organization is worthless. Many people can do anything well than a man. If you think anarchism is better than organization, just live anywhere by yourself. For proving you anarchist are better than we organized people, just you can live by one now, though we still organized. Why do you still claim us in organized country instead of getting your life as anarchist? When you'll do it well, I'll think again about anarchism.
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Anonymous2010-06-11 19:32
>>1
I prefer not working not at all but working much less than normal.
Technically the world can reach self-suffiency, if any human worked 5 hours a week. At this time of course we work 40 hours or even more. 80% of labour is totally wasted.
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Anonymous2010-06-12 20:14
How do we treat the waste labours?
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Anonymous2010-06-12 23:56
Technically the world can reach self-suffiency (sic), if any human worked 5 hours a week
Citation please. I'm not saying it sarcastically, I actually want to read the report that concludes that 5 hours of work for 163 hours of non-work is a viable economic force.
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Anonymous2010-06-14 4:50
Who the fuck wants to be just "self-sufficient", I want hot showers, coffee and video games and shit. Fucking commies.
>>39 Who the fuck wants to be just "self-sufficient" I want hot showers, coffee and video games and shit.
You can certainly have those things and be self-sufficient. Why think in such exclusionary ways?
Fucking commies.
The hell? How is being "self-sufficient" equate to being a Communist? I would think that being self-sufficient harks back to the days of agrarian societies, and perhaps even some light industry, retro-fitted for the modern age of course (unless you'd like to live like an Amish person, but that doesn't seem to be the case).
Anyone who lives in a city is not self-sufficient, even if you have a large garden it's not enough space to collect enough food and water to survive and the technology to improve crop yields and store and process water requires even more resources from the outside.
This isn't exclusionary thinking, it's pragmatic thinking, you're thinking too abstractly, think more in terms of Kant's categorical imperative. Not everyone can live self-sufficiently, self-sufficiency isn't even desirable because we can live quite happily depending on one another with virtually no risk of major upsets, and doing so often means we are more wealthy by several orders of magnitude and ironically in a better position to prepare for any upsets that might justify self-sufficiency.
>>35
Anarchism doesn't preclude organisation. There are individual anarchists, but there is also left anarchism, socialist anarchism, collectivist anarchism, anarcho-syndicalism, communist anarchism, etc.
Of course, organised, and united, we stand a better chance against the machinery and contraptions of the state.