Srsly, all I see is left-right butthurt and /stormfront/ racism on /new/ anymore. It's older than betty white's clam; time to move on and seek OC gentlemen. So here's my proposal, Anonymous (and namefags), you may think what you will of it:
1. Understand that left-right butthurt is not the answer. The answer is serious debate backed by facts to empirically arrive at a consensus.
2. 9/11 has more holes than a tentacle rape doujin being read by a school of dolpins, so we can debate all day, but at the of the day end most agree that the official story is bullshit in certain places. Just want answers, that's all.
3. /new/ needs to have some actual news poasted on it, frequently.
4. Haters will hate. /stormfront/ threads are best ignored.
5. Debates over real legislation would be good.
1: True.
4: True.
5: True.
2: False. Metal expands and becomes ductile when heated, this plus structural damage caused by the impacts of the planes caused the collapse. 1000s of people saw 2 planes fly into the building, not missiles or whatever.
3: False. These are for news. http://dis.4chan.org/newnew/http://dis.4chan.org/vip/
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Anonymous2010-02-08 23:54
>>gb2 cotton fields, nigger
This is not middle school, halfwit. Haters gonna hate until the day they die I swear. Call back when you're off your mom's tit and you grow the ability to think beyond the tantrums of a whining child.
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Anonymous2010-02-09 0:04
>>2: False. Metal expands and becomes ductile when heated, this plus structural damage caused by the impacts of the planes caused the collapse. 1000s of people saw 2 planes fly into the building, not missiles or whatever.
Not the time or the place, Anon. I just said debating this is pointless, people are just demanding some real answers. The families who suffered want answers, so I think answers should be delivered. That's all. /deb8
I would think sites like govtrack.us would be hot topics because there are lots of bills being tossed around that can be debated. Progressive ideas are around, but they get suffocated by butthurt, racism threads, and conspiracy theorists. Everyone on the boards knows the problems, so let's get on the fucking answers. No one else seems to want to.
>>4 http://i46.tinypic.com/2czcacw.jpg This is the year without Stormfront posters on world4ch. Come back next year, thank you. Also, * African American
>>6
Just don't reply to Stormfronters/racists, at least not until next year.
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Anonymous2010-02-09 3:40
>>6 >>8
Hi. I've never cared about society's shit and I never will. Cry.
You're completely hypocritical. It makes me want to laugh and rip my eyes out, for your blindness, it causes this dichotomy in me.
You say this is not middle school, then say: "Call back when you're off your mom's tit" the perfect retort of some little smart alec cunt running around the fields.
You actually don't tackle his statement at all, you seem incapable of analyzing it to be.
a)sarcastic
b)said because it's extreme and the poster wants attention
c)Logical in some way
You only seem to think that it is the extent to their capability to think on the matter, which shows your lack of depth in thought.
Disregarding a certain group's perspective is close minded, if you have come to a logical conclusion on their perspective, then use a nifty statement that combats it quickly and shows you to have logic / ethical high ground, if they can retort in a reasonable way, one party will learn something. Don't slander it makes you seem like a piece of shit. Seriously.
My take on the article is that Republicans and Democrats need to reach an agreement on how to conduct the televised debates and reach an empirical, progressive solution.
http //www webslingerz com/jhoffman/congress-email html
Here's a link so peeplz can find their Federal-level congress folks and send some angry e-mails.
Tell them to (swiftly) agree to even debates in which both parties may invite a set number of experts and present their proposals (in which field experts and economic studies should be cited, but not a crutch) to the televised audience. Preferably it would be a moderated debate or televised from the floor of the Capitol.
Tell them all they should grow up, grow a spine, and bite their lip and acknowledge when someone of an opponent party has a good, progressive ideas. They have seriously been acting like a bunch of clique-ish children, hanging out with only the rich crowd and hanging Americans out to dry. Additionally, ban the presence of healthcare lobbyists that would only cloud the debate with scare tactics and fallacious debating to bully progressive reform away from damaging their profits. Do not let corporate special interests get in the way of this reform as has been the case thus far.
Tell them that if insurance lobbyists like Lieberman and Nelson (cuz they aren't Senators in my mind, just corporate yesman dummies with CEO ventriloquists) try to get in the way of reform, just block them with cold, hard facts and shut down their fallacious arguments.
Make a clear outline that the final bill must be certified independently to:
1 Lower healthcare premiums for a majority a Americans,
2 decrease abusive corporate practices,
3 offer to insure at least 45 million uninsured Americans on AFFORDABLE coverage through job-based or government-based plans,
4 and MOST IMPORTANTLY lower long term health care costs AS WELL AS the nation's long term fiscal deficits.
So yeah, go do some e-mails.
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Anonymous2010-02-09 13:40
Get government out of the health of business and the business of health is all I want. Get all of it out of all of it.
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Question: which healthcare groups were against the former bill from start to finish? I hear people talking about it, generalizing about it, but I have trouble finding someone naming names.
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Anonymous2010-02-09 16:37
I'm not sure where to find the names of the companies, but since HC reform became a hot debate in Congress, campaign contributions from health care companies have gone through the roof, some senators are making off with hundreds of thousands apiece.
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Anonymous2010-02-09 16:49
I find it hilarious that the government is saying that they're going to put a stop to the abuses of the corporate monsters that they helped support and create in the first place. What utter hypocrisy.
It sure didn't help that all the founding fathers were all wealthy, white, old, and slave owners.
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Anonymous2010-02-10 13:21
>>18
Well, of course they were white. What do you think Europe is? And there also was a time when age meant wisdom as a functional, revered credential; it's a fading belief these days.
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Anonymous2010-02-10 13:35
>>7
Why not start a thread about some bill you don't like then?
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The Truth2010-02-10 14:12
Well I started some debate in /new/, we'll see how it turns out.
The founding fathers were working class heroes and oppressed ethnic minorities and genders who struggled and succeeded against adversity. Any claim otherwise is total bullshit.
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Anonymous2010-02-11 9:37
>1. Understand that left-right butthurt is not the answer. The answer is serious debate backed by facts to empirically arrive at a consensus.
Amazing how a 4chan text board is going to save America.
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2.
Get some videos of the main towers falling. Time the collapse, compare with free-fall speed (and -time) from that height. Consider what would happen if those 90-something floors had behaved more normally and resisted for, say, half a second each; what kind of time the collapse would _then_ take.
Or look at Tower 7 (the 3rd building to fall); count the windows broken by the collapsing buildings (usually a sign of how badly damaged a building really is). Study the nature of the collapse, then compare to footage of how a building is taken down by a controlled demolition team.
Or look at the size of the hole in the Pentagon, compare to the size of the jumbo jet said to have made that hole. Count the footage files released to date. Check the quality, compare to the normal quality of such footage.
I could go on, but I won't; people stop reading such lists long before they get anywhere near complete.