Forcing you to carry identification you when out and about allows police and ruling powers to throw you in jail if you dared to forget your ID, or throw you in jail and claim you had no ID. There are a number of things every tyrannical government does, one is they force people to carry ID with them all the time, another is they disarm the people (but that is a discussion for another time). My identity is no one's business but my own and anyone whom I choose to share it with.
The Federal Government has exactly 3 times when they are allowed to force you to produce identification: Entering or leaving the country at Customs, when arrested by Federal officers, and when conducting a transaction with them (taxes, welfare, voting, etc, etc).
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Anonymous2010-01-13 13:16
I concur. Unfortunately it seems that even this isn't enough of an issue to get people to fight. Nor, apparently, is public surveillance, naked scanning, or any of the other totalitarian shit we're increasingly forced to endure. I guess we'll have to wait until enough people have "missed three meals".
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Anonymous2010-01-20 15:22
So how do you propose people prove who they are?
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Anonymous2010-01-20 20:33
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I don't accept that who I am is anybody's fucking business unless I want it to be.
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Anonymous2010-01-20 20:36
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And if you want it to be, how do you prove it?
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Anonymous2010-01-20 20:51
My word.
The word of members of my family and community.
And, of course and only when necessary, documentation. And plenty of documentation exists without a Federal ID card that I am expected to keep on me 24/7. That is not the kind of thing a society that values freedom does.
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Anonymous2010-01-20 23:58
when the gov forces you to carry an id you know that they just wana see if your legal
I dunno about anywhere else, but nobody is forcing you to carry ID in the US,you retard. You won't be able to do much without one, but that's not the point.
You can't be arrested for not having ID. If you are a suspect and refuse to give your name, you can be arrested. You don't need your ID, but you do have to give your name. If you have done nothing wrong, you can ignore and refuse identification requests. It is not uncommon, though, that this will result in an unlawful arrest, which is a major inconvenience.
If you want to drive or do something prohibited to minors, though, you need an ID. Those activities are not rights, they are privileges.
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Anonymous2010-01-26 4:09
>>9 I dunno about anywhere else, but nobody is forcing you to carry ID in the US
Nobody is forcing anyone, that is true. But REAL ID/PASS ID has been proposed in congress. So the idea of an ID card that you are obligated to keep on your person is not far from reality.
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Anonymous2010-01-26 5:53
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So? I own a gun and am aware of the possibility of me going on a killing spree, it doesn't mean it is not far from reality.
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Anonymous2010-01-26 10:43
Phaw, the government should know who its people are. There is nothing wrong with an ID card that says who you are unless you just want to be a dick that day. The problem is not with a required ID, its with what a government could /possibly/ do with it.
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Anonymous2010-01-26 21:56
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That's a silly analogy. Though I do see a formation of a national ID system being established sometime in the future. It will probably be a federal mandate to standardize all the drivers' licenses in all the states; basically making them all exactly the same.
Simply creating ID cards does not necessarily mean they will be mandatory. In fact creating ID cards which are intentionally not mandatory will make it less likely for mandatory ID cards to ever be made.
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Anonymous2010-01-27 14:01
>>14 In fact creating ID cards which are intentionally not mandatory will make it less likely for mandatory ID cards to ever be made.
That is until a law is passed MAKING them mandatory. It's a possibility, but I don't see it happening at least not in the short term. But the fact that it's being proposed is scary enough.
It may seem like a slippery slope argument to you, but it should still be a cause for concern.
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Anonymous2010-01-28 18:11
You know what would be more secure and more efficient than ID cards?
Social Security number tattoos. They could put one on your left forearm. And maybe a barcode on the back of your neck, readable by electronic scanner.
What? You don't like the idea? What are you, some kind of nut? Don't you trust the government? Are you crazy?