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Health care

Name: Sight 2009-10-11 13:41

US healthcare system is the most expensive, yet it performs worse than in other 1st world countries. Discuss.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_compared#Cross-country_comparisons

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-11 15:24

Replacing it with a huge government bureaucracy doesn't exactly improve things either. Look into the horror stories in Canada or the NHS in the UK. I suspect that list is also biased.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-11 16:02

>>2
Horror stories?  Do tell.  I haven't heard any, but I do have a story.  I was injured in N.Z., carried off to a hospital, and had my face stitched up by a plastic surgeon.  Great work.  When I went to pay the bill they told me that as a guest of the country I was covered by the NHS, at least in that situation(an accident), and to enjoy the rest of my stay.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-11 17:14

>>3

I'm Canadian. I've lived here my entire life. To say that I've been healthy would be a bit more than stretching the truth. Ever had to go through a huge battery of tests, but with 6 month waits to see your family doctor? It is fucking slow. You're deteriorating, you can't work anymore, soon you can't even attend school. Your entire life is on hold, all because your appointment still has another two months.

I was lucky in my misfortunes. I am still alive today, and I know I can get better.

The quality of the health care varies greatly according to the province you live in. My suggestion: Don't get sick in Quebec.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-12 2:26

>>4
And yet that's the STD capital of Canada.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-12 3:24

>>5

I wouldn't be surprised. The massive number of strip joints in Montreal alone...

Seriously, though. When it takes 10 years of back & forth to find out you're fucking intolerant to gluten, something is wrong.

Name: Sight 2009-10-12 3:27

>>2
The bureucracy doesn't have to be huge. Especially compared to total size of dozens corporate bureaucracies that do the work now.

I live in a country with (mostly) government run healthcare system and the only problem I've ever noticed is that some people tend to abuse a system where almost everything is free. And that  can be solved by making the patients pay a small fee for every procedure and checkup (say $5).

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-12 12:55

>>7
the only problem I've ever noticed is that some people tend to abuse a system where almost everything is free.

That's also another big problem. A system like that actually eventually leads itself to promoting failure and encourages people to abuse it. And then when crap hits the fan, who will the people go to for more help? Why, the government of course!

Especially compared to total size of dozens corporate bureaucracies that do the work now.

That's the big reason why medicial insurance premiums are so expensive in the United States. Each state has a set number of companies that provide insurance, and between these few companies, they hold a monolopy, or in the case of the state of Alabama, there's just one that proves medicial insurance to that whole state. This is very troubling.

What should be done is promote more competition by splitting up these companies and monolopies, and that alone will drive prices down, thus affording more people more access to healthcare. There's other things like frivolous lawsuit cases and reform in that area and whatnot, but doing what I described above would be a big step forward.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-29 9:09

All this stuff about the wait period is bullshit. In the states if you have no money you can wait for days and months... no money no treatment, just die already. My mother got escorted off the hospital's property in Florida by a security guard because she did not have the $100,000 that it cost to get Chemo. She went to Italy and got it for free, ironically, all of her doctors in Italy did med school in Boston, and the one in Florida was from Bangladesh.

I live in Spain now, moved here from the states, and guess what everytime I feel sick, I can go to my doctor, schedule an appointment for later on in the week. Or just go right away and wait in line, for a whole 30 minutes sometimes! (WOOOW!) And then a doctor will see you.  Everytime you get sick for my work you need a doctor's note to bring the next day, this is common practice, everyone does it. So i've had to go to the doctor many times, and I never waited more than 30 minutes to see one. The same is true about anyone else who calls in sick to work, since they need a note for the next day, and get those notes, it proves that there is no absurd wait like people always claim there is in "socialized medicine"

Plus, I can get your girlfriend Valtrax here, and it's free.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-29 13:27

If they banned public healthcare for the obese, blacks, jews and smokers it would work.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-29 13:40

The entire Judeo-Christian ethics are a celebration of weakness and failure. The best these parasites could come up with was trying to screw the economic elite.

Them don't like being screwed, so they opened offshore accounts for great justice. Government-run "welfare" programs for the working class solve a small amount of their (arguably deserved) problems, the bourgeois will always game the system. Who actually loses? The middle class, i.e. us.

What's the goal of these welfare-for-parasites programs? Government self-perpetuation. Monopoly of violence and protection of people's rights didn't amount to much hegemony, so the it was recognized that the people had to be told that they /need/ the state to be a guiding hand in their lives.

And who's the celebrated leftist cause? Because of course not Castro or Mao who established their authoritarian regimes under the pretense of leftism. Maybe EZLN who couldn't stop their shit being raped by Mexican army of all people? CNT-FAI who wanted to share power with the fascists?

Actually, celebration of suffering and humiliation and thus rape is valued highly among Judeo-Christian ideologues, thus I suppose the one who gets raped the most while expressing their utopian ideals of millenarianism is the one to admire.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-31 14:08

>>9
I'm living in the US and I can do that too.  I can do that because I have a job and medical insurance.  I'm not some nigger parasite saying "gimme gimme gimme gimme."

And I don't have to worry about some anonymous panel of fifty unelected government bureaucrats taking six months to decide whether I get to see a doctor or not--which is the norm in every other nation that's ever attempted to implement socialized medicine, so I call shenanigans.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-31 14:35

>>12
You call shenanigans?  I call shenanigans on your ridiculous delusion that you know anything about the medical systems in any other countries, and that your posts are constructive in any way.  You're just anther redneck douchebag who's been programmed by fox. 
Or a troll.  Either way, GTFO.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-31 15:07

>>13 dis.4chan is a troll MMORPG consisting of trolls' attempts to troll each other. Whoever trolls most trolls is the winner. Though it can't really be proven, as anon are both everyone and no one.

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-31 15:26

>>13
no u

Name: Anonymous 2009-10-31 16:25

>>12
You call shenanigans?
Obvious troll is obvious!

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-02 15:43

>>16
Cool story, bro.

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