>>1
Original Italian fascism, though reactionary, was often described as a "Third Way" ideology. It was both a mixture of and a dismissal of the right and left.
Anyway, if you're looking for a more socialistic form of fascism, I think Chavismo might fit that description, in some ways
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Anonymous2009-06-13 16:35
>>5
Trolled? Trolling is an outmoded concept. "Trolls" now serve to improve the ability of the public to discern accuracy, and facilitate discussion and new ideas. The whole thing backfired on the hateful little bitches who first started lying to get attention.
>>4
Bolshevism? Nobody uses that word anymore since the 40's.
Communism it is.
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Anonymous2009-06-14 0:27
Dictatorships always lean to the right, no matter how leftist their beginnings, for the simple fact that starry eyed idealists are too unreliable. You need conservative men with a family who on one hand are exposed to the chaos when the state loses control over an area in their work and on the other exposed to the tranquil lifestyle where the state has absolute control on their time off, no need for political indoctrination, they will associate their friends, family, nation, career, dreams and aspirations with the state and the vast majority of them will be willing to take risks for it and never slacken even when they could get away with it.
>>12
Star Trek, or more accurately, Starfleet is an authoritarian, Marxist utopia. If you want to do your own thing, do it. If you want to be part of something bigger, join up and do as you're told.
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Anonymous2009-06-14 2:37
>>13
Oh I see. The problem is though Starfleet has to obey the prime directive and moralfag captains and shit. I prefer the mirror world starfleet.
>>15
Why? You'll only get killed on your first mission.
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pork soda2009-06-14 11:02
>>16
Riker wore a red shirt and he had an awesome beard and he fucked Marina Sirtis!
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Anonymous2009-06-14 11:40
Riker fucked anything he could. He was Kirk's libidinous successor.
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Anonymous2009-06-14 13:35
I wonder if Worf's penis was ridged like his head.
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Anonymous2009-06-14 13:53
Hmmmm, I don't know, but he fucked Troi too, so we can ask her.
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pork soda2009-06-14 14:18
My favorite episode of Star Trek was when Counselor Troi was raped by thugs and Charles Bronson avenges her rape!
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Anonymous2009-06-14 22:14
>>17
That was only after the redshirt civil rights movement of the 2310s, before then if you were a redshirt you were pretty much fucked >>18
Who hasn't? >>19 http://www.omegacron.com/klingons/anatomy.htm
Apparently there is little difference. >>20
Troi isn't real. >>21
Yeah, that episode was pretty grimdark. What was up with that?
I also support a form of Benevolent Dictatorship. People should be allowed to have lots of freedom and whatnot. But at certain times people need to be put into place and made to benefit society. Just because a guy is a dictator does not mean he needs to be an asshole. Sure most dictators are assholes but just because a guy has power does not mean he will take away rights.
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Anonymous2009-06-22 1:43
>>24
Organizations are more effective when they have a wider variety of structures at their disposal, a dictator is only best at making decisions quickly and so should be limited to that, everything else will probably consist of autonomous units such as private enterprises and functional bureaucracies regulated by those they serve.
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Anonymous2009-06-22 15:31
>>25
I agree. But are there existing parties that actually have this sort of ideology? There seems to be a lack of any actual authoritarian parties.
>>26
The military dictatorship of Brazil had a 2 party system with a moderate conservative party representing the junta and a moderate centrist party representing the opposition.
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Anonymous2009-06-24 10:13
>>28
Starfleet is a weird amalgamation of liberalism and conservativism. Sort of like, radical isolationistic liberals.
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Anonymous2009-06-24 20:09
>>30
It only works because all the blacks act like white people.
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Anonymous2009-07-04 2:21
Starfleet party? Tell me more about this. Also links plox?
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Anonymous2009-07-04 15:12
Fascism is Right Wing in it's essence.
If you're into dictatorships, yes, you can go with some Communist parties, like the FARC, but you can't have a left-wing fascist.
That's like having an married bachelor.
>>34
What about Chavez???
Really?
Chavez is a Bolivarian, and a democratically elected Socialist.
One of the main talking points among Fascist circles is the strong Anti-Marxist sentiment they share.
Fascists are Social Darwinists who believe Capitalism rewards people based more on luck, and less on ability; and that Communism simply rewards "failures".
An easy way to see the difference between the ideologies is the think of it this way:
Marxism = From each according to their ability, to each according to their need.
Fascism = From each according to their ability, to each according to their ability.
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Anonymous2009-07-11 23:16
Fascism is not about capitalism necessarily. Socialism and Communism and Capitalism are economic theories. Not political ideologies. Fucking idiots confuse them all the time. So you can be a staunch Communist nation and me Democratic. Or you can be a Capitalist dictatorship. The terms capitalism and socialism/communism have no basis in how a government is run. They are economic policies.
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Anonymous2009-07-12 1:59
>>35
Bolivarianism has heavy nationalist and socialist leanings. I suppose national socialism would be more accurately defined as imperial socialism while Bolivarianism is pro-nationalism and anti-imperialism. Not exactly fascism, but throw a demagogue with a personality cult and an inflammatory foreign policy into the mix and you're getting there.
Political theories are often nothing like the results that occur when certain groups attempt to put them into practice, it's better to judge them by their effects. Fascism was more succesful in industrialised nations without a long history of liberal democracy, communism was more succesful in less developed nations which were generally wartorn and politically unstable, in each of these cases the political theories served more use as propoganda than actual policy since real fascists rarely paid people according to their contribution and real marxists rarely gave people the supplies they needed.
A 19 year old male agricultural laborer will have more trust in the communist party of China's rhetoric of creating a utopia than the Kuomintang's authoritarian elitist attitude which is no different from that of any other warlord or the Japanese for that matter, the communists were just as authoritarian as the Kuomintang but they inspired far greater morale and competence in their personnel.
A 23 year old engineer who earns enough to keep himself out of poverty and is literate and informed enough not to take utopian ideals at face value is more likely to support the General trying to restore order than a bunch of communists and anarchists, even though he lives in the city and has more exposure to the inequality aswell as marxist propoganda he can also see people improving their standard of living and achieving a comfortable middle class lifestyle, maybe he could marry Isabella and achieve the same. His skills allow him to contribute more to the war effort than a conscripted agricultural laborer.
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Anonymous2009-07-12 2:28
>>36
no one said Marxism and Capitalism weren't economic theories. Fascism is completely separate from the two.
That's why it calls itself the "third way"
Before you try to come in here with your grade school government class education, and try to sound all important because you know the difference between economic policy and social policy, how about you try to read the conversation and try to contribute something worthwhile instead of spouting off pretentious political talking points like a fucking dumbass?
>>37
I'd have to disagree that how successful Fascism and Communism were is directly correlated to the countries political and industrial past.
I think the country's past just affects which ideology can get the support of the people.
Unless you mean success in a different way than I am assuming (that the country's economy grows), in which case, disregard.
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Anonymous2009-07-12 17:55
>>38 Oooh that must be a pretty bad case of butthurt you have there. Seems like you just learned that Communism isn't a type of politics at all. That must suck for you man. Sorry for giving you such a massive case of butthurt and making you look like a small retarded chimpanzee.