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PROP 8

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-08 17:28

You will not stop gay marriage. You will not oppress homosexuals forever. It will be legal in our generation, and by the time my children are grown it will be as unremarkable as a black man sitting at the table next to you in a restaurant. You are no different than the bigots who tried for so long to hold back the inevitable tide of the civil rights movement. You claim your motives are to "preserve marriage", or even just the definition of the word. You are not linguists, and many of you are divorced yourselves. These motives are spurious and transparent. You are on the wrong side of history. One day, if you live long enough, you will be emabrassed and lie about your vote. You might let your bigotry slip in front of your grandchildren one day, and sure, they'll still love you, but for the rest of their lives they will think a little bit less of you.

But most importantly, PEOPLE ARE BUTTFUCKING IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NOW.

Guys are sucking guys' dicks. Women are banging their clits together furiously - POW POW POW. Balls are slamming balls - BANG BANG BANG.

Maybe in the house next to you. Not 30 feet away in your safe, cookie-cutter suburban paradise. It could be your friend, it could be your neighbor, it could be your family member or your kid's teacher. It could be your senator. It could be your preacher.

And you know what else they're doing? They're holding hands. They're telling each other I Love You and heading off to work. They're balancing check books and planning Thanksgiving. They're training for that 10k next month, they're visiting elderly family members in the hospital. They're teaching their nieces and nephews how to ride a bike. They're reading the bible, or a John Grisham book, or watching that new Stallone movie. They're doing the same things you and I are doing.

And you begrudge them for what? A fucking word? That word is so precious to you that you would deny them what is a foregone conclusion for yourself? I hope you feel proud you smug motherfuckers. Ride high on your horse of hate. Ride high but don't look to the future, because it's bleak for your outdated ass. You're a dead dinosaur too stupid to fall over yet.

BANG BANG BANG BANG. SLURP SLURP SLURP. POW POW POW.

Name: Giraffe 2008-11-09 3:00

You know, it hurts when balls slam into balls.

That said, I agree with you and this was a very awesome post.  Good job~

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-09 7:55

>>2
That was VIP Quality.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-09 15:57

Does it hurt when piss lands on balls?

How long does it take, too?  How long does it take for piss to land on balls?

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-09 17:11

>>1
You, sir, have a beautiful mind.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-09 21:19

Mormons: Because your daughter will make a good wife.

For you.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-09 23:11

what's the big deal? so gays can't get "married" but can still have civil unions.  what the hell is the problem? sounds like a bunch of whiney bitches who don't like the choice of wording.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-10 6:00

The government has no place in marriage. You shouldn't even have to get a marriage license. Furthermore, no one should get tax breaks for being married.

Name: 4/\/0/\/ 2008-11-10 13:49

The way I see it, whether gay marriage is moral or not is not my place to judge. No one should judge anyone, so if it is immoral- so be it, God will deal with them. Regardless of the morality, it should be legal because the Constitution should not be used to deny certain people rights.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-10 15:08

Fags will always be the filth of the earth. Most people I know aren't religious at all, and they hate fags because they feel they are pig disgusting. Has nothing to do with religion.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-10 17:04

Fags are okay, the normal ones. The flamboyant ones need to DIAF. It's hard for you queers to look like reasonable citizens when you dance around in hot pink g-strings. That's what people hate, not normal homos. I don't care if you want too march, get married, or stick your wang in a blender. Just don't get in my face while wearing assless leather chaps, I don't want to see anyone wearing that shit while they're trying to make a point, much less some lisping twink.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-11 11:26

first of all, no one ever does that
because that would be illegal due to indecent exposure
second of all, what's wrong with flamboyant ones? who are you to judge?
just ignore it and move on with your day

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-11 11:45

Divorce has no place in religion.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-11 13:35

>>12
judging is a natural consequence of having a point of view, who are you to judge judging

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-12 2:51

>>14

STFU u fucking nigger

http://holycoast.blogspot.com/2008/11/n.html

We should of voted the dyke, darnit  :(

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-12 10:21

it is, we all judge in our minds, but we shouldn't outwardly express our judgement- because who here can say they are better than anyone else, and so have the right to judge?

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-12 13:02

>>16
You're a moral relativist and also a gay niggerfag.

I have made my judgement of you: I find you to be sub-human.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-17 11:09

>>17
No, he's not a moral relativist because
intolerance is bad, mkay
is not a moral relativst position.
He's certainly a gay nigger fag though.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-17 13:22

I'm so glad everyone in this thread has bought into the gay marriage delusion. Protip: It's not a real issue, for everyone involved.

Idiots.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-17 14:02

>>1

Ha ha ha oh. I don't think you quite get it do you faggot? Inbetween your fantasys about whatever you've completely missed the point, way off target.

You think you're fighting 'hate'? Really? It is not. It is ideological conviction which has made homophobia last so long. It is religious fevor, not hate. And you think it is just Christians? Why don't you go and tell some Shiks or Muslims that you're gay ha ha ha.
And what do you have to fight that? Conviction in sexual abnormality? You maybe winning a few little battles here and there today, right now, but you got along way to go yet.


You know what's even funnier about your whole depressing fantasy?
Does anyone honestly believe faggots are holding down jobs and striving for the 60's paradise? I suppose that's why they have statistically uncomparable levels of drug abuse, sexual diseases and mental illness, also lulzy suicide levels.
Even athiests have every reason to hate you, religion doesn't even need to come into it.

Keep chanting it faggot, you remind me of the 60 year old commies screaming that the liberation of the proletariate is comming, or the feminists who're finnaly going to liberate their wymen friends and out law sexuality, finally rule the day. There is only will to power and you faggots don't have it.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-17 19:31

>>21
Well once we have a female president, something tells me that the Gay Rights Movement is going to reach the point where Women's Rights were and Civil Right's were. You cannot stop any human rights. It's going to happen and you are going to fail in the end. Even if it happens after you die.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-17 22:06

I actually believe it's going to reach a point where ALL marriage is outlawed.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-18 11:11

Hopefully all marriage will be outlawed. I think the main problem people have with the faggots is that now, they want children. I saw a, 'thing', on tv last night on Larry King. It was a woman, kinda, who has taken hormones to extend her clitorous, grow body hair, deepen her voice. Chopped her tits off, and had some other surgeries. Now it is pregnant with a second kid, it already has one, and thinks it's okay. Now personally, I could care less if the thing wants to mutilate it's own body. But it is going to seriously fuck those kids up for life. Noone will admit it because they don't want to seem homophobic, but it's the truth. Good going faggots, with your retarded equality bullshit you have opened the door for psycho feminist lesbians to adopt a son, and turn him into a total pussy. Nice fucking work assholes.

Name: RedCream 2008-11-18 13:25

Considering that half of the marriages today end up in divorce, the heterosexuals are the main threat to marriage, not the homosexuals.  SET PWNAGE TO MAXIMUM POWER!

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-18 14:13

>>24
That statistic is bogus. 50% of marriages do not end in divorce.

Let me explain, SimpletonCream: The figure is derives by taking the number of marriages per year and comparing it to the number of divorces per year. And since there are nearly half as many divorces as marriages, people conclude that half of all marriages end in divorce. This statistic would be correct if everyone married once and only once, but thanks to people that marry 2,3, or more times, things just don't add up.
The actual number of marriages that end in divorce is closer to 1 in 4 , or 25 percent.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-18 18:00

he bible is not against gay marriage. read it you illiterate fuckwits.

A) The Ceremonial Law of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy no longer applies. Because of what is written in the book of Galatians and Paul's writings in the second chapter of Colossians, we have clear declarations that the ceremonial law is now in the field of Christian liberty. Paul uses a variety of examples to declare this and lists several portions of the law, following with the declaration that all of it was nailed to the Cross and has been removed. This belief is backed up further by the book of Romans and the speeches at the council of Jerusalem in Acts (Chapter 15), along with selected sayings by Christ concerning ceremonial practice. If we decide to pick and choose portions of the ceremonial law to continue in observance as God's will without clear relation of those parts to the commandments of God referenced in Romans, James and Revelations, then we place ourselves in danger of the ban of Galatians 1:8.

If this is the case, and most of you will find that your pastors will agree with this, unless you are members of the Seventh-day Adventist or similar denominations, then we have a big problem in the debate of homosexual sex as a sin. The problem is simple: The two clearest declarations of homosexual sex as a sin in the Bible are found in chapters 18 and 20 of Leviticus. If the ceremonial law no longer applies, then neither do these.

B) Sodom and Gomorrah do not pertain to homosexual sex, and the same can be said of the related story in Judges. The sins of the people of Sodom and Gomorrah are clearly huge. Have you ever seen a city in your lives where the whole male population tried to batter down doors so that they could gang rape guests to the city? I apologize for being so blunt and almost crude, but the point is not a pleasant one, and neither is the story. The cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were sinful beyond our understanding. These were foul places where such extreme forms of rape were accepted and where the closest thing to a righteous man offers up his daughters to their lusts. Further, the issue also comes up that this is a story more about the complete lack of hospitality and the brutality of the citizens. It is reading too far into the text to say that this passage says anything about homosexual sex. It is speaking of extreme cases that do not apply to homosexual sex.

(Note: Ezekiel 16 is the passage which refers to the sins of Sodom/Gomorrah)

C) The argument of creation (God created them Adam and Eve, so they are meant to be complimentary) suffers from a massive weakness. In chapter three of Genesis, we are told why a man leaves his father and mother to become one flesh with the woman that he loves. We are told similar things in chapter five of Paul's letter to the Ephesians. However, neither passage declares that this must be the only thing. Paul also speaks elsewhere of the joys of celibacy. This indicates that marriage is not required. Without proof that homosexual sex is considered a sin, there is no reason to automatically assume that "Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve" is actually said in Scripture. The passages only say why heterosexual marriages occur, not that they must be the only ones.

In fact, an important point must be made. Scripture speaks clearly about the need to save sex for marriage. If the Bible has not declared homosexual sex or marriage as sinful, then we have done a vast disservice in refusing homosexual couples the right to marriage. We are, in effect, trying to force them into sinful relationships out-of-wedlock.

D) There are three passages that may speak on homosexual sex in the New Testament. Two are lists of sins, found in chapter six of Paul's first letter to the Corinthians and chapter one of his first letter to Timothy. The third, and most important, passage is found in the first chapter of Paul's letter to the Romans.

1) The two lists are poorly translated in the cases of homosexuality. Three words are found in these passages that are used to relate to homosexual sex: Pornia, Arsenokoitas and Malakoi. Pornia means pervert. That's all it really means. It refers to sexual perversion, but makes no statement as to what that perversion is. It is far too general to relate to homosexual sex. Malakoi refers to softness or effeminacy, with implications of perversion. The term is used to refer to a man who is too passionate and emotional, and who acts upon these. It relates to the Grecian concepts of gender identity. The man was not to be emotional in this fashion. If one stretches the meaning of the word, examples are found where Malakoi may refer to the 'bottom' partner of pederasty. This is a relationship wherein a teenage boy traded sexual favors with an older man in return for guidance and training. It was common within Greek society and accepted in Roman society. Arsenokoitas is a compound word derived from the Greek words for man and bed. While this sounds like a clear reference to homosexuality to our modern ears, there is a problem. The word does not appear at any point prior to Paul's letters. To our knowledge, he created the term himself. Its usage in all other cases I am aware of either represents something akin to an aggressive sexual predator or, more commonly, the "top" partner in pederasty. At most these verses could possibly have listed pederasty as a crime, but not homosexual sex alone. You cannot read into the text the fact that, because something condemned includes another thing, that other thing is automatically condemned as well. For example, a person who breaks the commandment about not bearing false testimony against one's neighbor must communicate to do so. Communication is not condemned, is it? The condemnation of pederasty cannot be clearly related, even in consideration of Jewish morals that Paul is familiar with, to a condemnation of homosexual sex. Look at http://www.clgs.org/5/5_4_3.html for further details on the specifics of Arsenokoites and Malakoi.

2) Romans 1:18-32 is the key to the argument. However, there are a series of problems with the classic interpretation of the passage.

One, we rarely take verses 26-27 in context with the rest of the passage. The lusts spoken of are the result of godlessness and the refusal of the gospel of God. The godless ones are described as being given over to their passions. This loss of control is key and important to the Greeks and Romans Paul is writing to, and was considered a very bad thing. It is important to realize that the passage is not centered on homosexual relations, no matter how you interpret it.

Two, the relationships are referred to as being unnatural. The term pushin is the Greek word for natural and refers, in general, to that which is according either to socially accepted morals or to one's innate nature. The society Paul is writing to, both Roman and Greek, considered homosexual relationships to be quite natural. What would have been considered unnatural to the Romans would specifically have been something where a citizen was 'on bottom.' Such a position degrades the citizen's status and was considered to be a horrible thing.

Three, the shameful lusts that are spoken of are not specifically described. Unlike Leviticus, where they are listed, the passage assumes that its audience knows what is being spoken of. While Paul is a born and trained Jew, familiar with the ceremonial law, he is preaching to newly converted Christians in Rome and Greece. These people, though somewhat familiar with Jewish beliefs, could not have been considered familiar enough to assume that "shameful lusts" meant what is said in Leviticus. Paul is not a man to leave explanations unclear. When necessary, he goes into great detail and repetition to make his point absolutely clear and understood. Therefore, by context it seems he is speaking to the Roman's understanding of shameful, the subjugation of a citizen for example. Further, pathos (lusts) does not necessitate a sexual connotation.

Four, the fact that we have women doing things with women instead of men and that we have men doing things with men instead of women is clear from what Paul says in verses 26-27. However, Paul does not at any point say what is being done. He lacks the clarity of Leviticus. Any number of things could be occurring, and without a clear indication that the text is specifically speaking of homosexual sex acts on any level we are familiar with today we cannot claim that Romans 1 clearly declares that the ceremonial law still applies in this case.

My arguments are quite basic. This is only an overview of them. I have far more detailed descriptions of the issues involved and will happily offer them. This argument is also not new. You can find websites offering similar interpretations themselves. I came to these conclusions, however, through prayer and consideration with friends, not a website. These positions, also, are hardly universally accepted. There is strong evidence in both directions with regards Romans 1. Some churches still make the claim that parts of the ceremonial law remain intact. There are strong arguments both for and against this.

My single greatest point is this: Can you honestly declare something a sin when you cannot clearly show without serious contention that the Bible declares it to be a sin? When we look at the Ten Commandments, we know basically what they say and don't argue over them. Christ further explains them during his life, giving us more information about what they mean. We know these things to be sins, and there is little debate. Homosexual sex is found in the ceremonial laws and what few verses speak of it outside of that set of laws are hotly contested. How can we clearly state, based upon these facts, that homosexuality is indeed a sin?

No. I don't think it's wrong, and I'll be happy to stand on Scripture to that effect.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-18 21:29

>>26
Nobody cares about the bible. That's what you don't understand. I highly doubt anyone here is very religious, we just don't like ever-oppressed faggots. If you guys would act like you had some balls (which we know you do, you're constantly slamming them together) and would stop being fucking pussies about everything. Maybe people would respect you, but you don't. You whine about being discriminated against, yet you make yourselves into giant neon pink gay targets. Just stfu, start an ad campaign or something. Nobody likes you because of people like Rosie O'Donnel, and yes, I realise she dosen't represent all faggots. But she's the only one on tv that's very memorable. So find a new spokesman (I would suggest mr. zulu from star-trek. He's gay as shit, and people really like him) Run a real ad campaign where you dress and speak correctly, that is, no lisping, no pink fucking shirts and shit. And stop bitching about how fucking oppressed you people are. Punch a redneck in the face, do something. Stop being litiguous assholes. You need to earn respect to have respect. Faggot.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-18 21:42

>>25
What you're arguing is that 50% of the married or previously married population is not divorced. That is not the same as 50% of marriages ending in divorce.

Maybe a fourth of all married people will divorce, meaning at least 3/4ths stay married, I'll give you that. But 50% of marriages still do end in divorce.

>>11
This guy has it right. You know why homosexuals are having such a hard time gaining acceptance in this "open minded" age? Because they are letting their worst representatives speak for them. During the civil rights movement, who were the black leaders? Well-spoken, well-dressed, well-educated individuals. The black community had the sense to hide its shameful members when trying to gain acceptance. Now who is speaking for the gay community? Fake lisp-having, thongs as casual clothes-wearing gay men and belligerent bull-dykes. Blacks had "negroes" rather than "niggers"; gays have "faggots" instead of "homosexuals".

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-19 0:27

>>27
>>28
have never met a real gay person in their entire lives
or trolls
yeah what am I saying?
trolls.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-19 20:28

California has a achieved a glorious victory for the Lord!

Keep up the good work!

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-19 23:06

>>26
lol copypasta that gets so many things wrong

Old Testament disciplinary laws no longer apply, but Old Testament moral laws still apply. Furthermore, the arguments this person uses are only useful if the reader is a believer in Sola Scriptura.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-20 6:15

>>15

Chromatic aberrations?
ON MY /r/AINBOW COALITION???
MWAHAHAHAHAH i'm lovin' it

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-20 18:41

>>31
"Old Testament disciplinary laws no longer apply, but Old Testament moral laws still apply."
bullshit. there is no reason to assume Paul meant "only parts of this no longer apply, figure out which parts for yourself"
and uh, guess what? if we dont go by scripture alone, there is plenty of evidence from old Catholic encyclicals to delve into as it seems every few centuries or so a Pope reverses the decision about homosexuality. or were you referring to something the Orthodox church put out?

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-23 0:05

>>29
Jesse Jackson is a racist fucker, and if I recognize that fact it must be because I have never met an actual black person.
or you are a troll
Yeah what am I saying?
Troll.

Name: Rainbow Leprechaun 2008-11-23 10:46

Gays will be fucking in the restaurant table next to me in the future? HOT DAMN......I might join them.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-23 20:04

I think its kinda funny how liberals are so up in arms over this.  Lmao.  Seems like they pick the most insignificant issues to become enraged over.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-29 3:12

>>36
Yeah and we're just fighting ourselves.

If us liberals were the only ones who care, then Prop 8 wouldn't have passed.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-29 3:26

>>37
You got me there.

Name: Anonymous 2008-12-01 17:23

yeah 64% of marriages end in divorce so let gays be a miserable as the str8s. And if they could marry andthe divorce rate went down then maybe they more suited to be married than str8 folk.

Name: Anonymous 2008-12-02 3:49

BAWW I CAN'T ADMIT THAT I WANT IT IN THE ASS SO FUCKING BADLY BECAUSE GOD WILL SMITE ME THEN, SO I BETTER RAGE OVER IT TO HIDE MY FAGGOTRY

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