Just watched some video about how fascist and police-state the United States are, and sorry but, all those guys in black riot armour with no faces, shooting them and beating them with sticks look insanely cool. And generally, I think I'd be quite happy being one of them.
But at the same time the country is fucking disgusting, and I feel like being a hippy deep down.
Even if these videos were only half right we are all sooooo totally fucked.
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Anonymous2008-05-30 22:19
FASCISM IS AWESOME.
We need a true leader to emerge to guide us.
The rise of the the hardcore Right Wing is inevitable.
CRUSH THE LEFT!! CRUSH THE LEFT!!
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Anonymous2008-05-30 22:22
What used to be the far right is now considered far left
What used to be fascist is now far right
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Anonymous2008-05-30 22:25
Republicans are more like trotskyists than nazis. If the US were fascist they wouldn't be Israel's bitch.
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Anonymous2008-05-30 22:28
Actually the left is much more prone to fascism.
Hitler was incredibly liberal minded and he was a monsterous fascist. His party was the National SOCIALIST party after all.
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Anonymous2008-05-31 4:26
The liberals are fascists now and the conservatives socialists.
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Anonymous2008-05-31 8:07
People usually see the left -> right scale like this...
Communist -> Liberal -> Conservative -> Fascist
In my opinion the left right scale goes likes this.
Communist -> Fascist -> Liberal -> Conservative
The national socialists were demagogues, developed complex conspiracy theories that involved all their political enemies and accused various groups of having a collective consciousness and using it to abuse germans. Liberals are incessant complainers and extremely touchy, deeming many innocent occurances to be part of a wider conspiracy, they also believe all anglo-saxons, whites, males and christians have a strong collective consciousness which must be resisted by "empowering" all other groups.
The only difference is that liberals have to pretend to have moral high ground, the national socialists obviously didn't put any effort whatsoever into trying not to look like the bad guys.
OMG IT HAZ SOSHALIST IN ITS NAEM ITS SOSHALIST!!!! I'M IGNORING WHAT THINS ARE BECAUSE CLEARLY I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE IN THE FIST PLACE!!!! THAT'S HOW MY PUNY BRAIN WORKS!!!!!
The idea that workers controlled the means of production in Nazi Germany is a bitter joke. It was actually a combination of aristocracy and capitalism.
Technically, private businessmen owned and controlled the means of production. The Nazi “Charter of Labor” gave employers complete power over their workers. It established the employer as the “leader of the enterprise,” and read: “The leader of the enterprise makes the decisions for the employees and laborers in all matters concerning the enterprise.” The employer, however, was subject to the frequent orders of the ruling Nazi elite. After the Nazis took power in 1933, they quickly established a highly controlled war economy under the direction of Dr. Hjalmar Schacht.
Prior to the Nazi seizure of power in 1933, worker protests had spread all across Germany in response to the Great Depression. During his drive to power, Hitler exploited this social unrest by promising workers to strengthen their labor unions and increase their standard of living. But these were empty promises; privately, he was reassuring wealthy German businessmen that he would crack down on labor once he achieved power.
The Nazis abolished trade unions, collective bargaining and the right to strike. An organization called the “Labor Front” replaced the old trade unions, but it was an instrument of the Nazi party and did not represent workers.
According to the law that created it, “Its task is to see that every individual should be able… to perform the maximum of work.” Workers would indeed greatly boost their productivity under Nazi rule but they also became exploited. Between 1932 and 1936, workers wages fell, from 20.4 to 19.5 cents an hour for skilled labor, and from 16.1 to 13 cents an hour for unskilled labor.
>>10
FACTS DON'T MATTER! MY RETARDED MIND TELLS ME SOSHALIZM=STAYT THEREFORE THEY'RE SOSHALIST, AND SINCE THEY'RE EVIL SOSHALIZM IS EVIL!!!! DAT'S WHY WE MUST ALL BECOME LIBERTARYAN AND SERVE THE RICH - ELSE UR NAZI!!!!
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Anonymous2008-05-31 12:55
>>10
So? Most socialists are just populist making empty promises just to get into power and those socialists that actually implement those promises all they achieve is the stagnation of the economy.
>>14
The points I made in >>12 are valid and anyone who disagrees is ridiculously fucking naive.
1: It's easy to make empty promises with socialism because of it's statist leanings.
2: Socialism promote plagiarism, disrupts distribution of economic authority and market forces along with wealth and removes a lot of the incentive to work.
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Anonymous2008-06-01 7:56
>>18
The points you made in >>!2 are your personal delusions with no connection to facts, and your retarded mind was unable to answer the argumnets given in this thread. All you did was again cry BAWW SOSHALIZM MEANS STAYTIZM AND INEFFISHUNCY!! MARKET FORSAAZ!!!! ignoring the facts, yet again. Come back when you can answer to facts [which isn't possible, but you can't even put out a decent performance with this level of delusionary retardation].
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Anonymous2008-06-01 7:59
>>18
Also, lol@a delusionary retard who has ignored every fact he's seen and thinks MARKET FORSAZ will magically make everything alright accuse people of naivety. The irony is almost on par with the retardation of the subject.
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Anonymous2008-06-01 19:01
Oh yes, Fascism is nice untell you have a problem with the leader and find your self unable to voice your oppinion. (note, an amount of sarcasim was used in this post.)
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Anonymous2008-06-01 20:19
anarchist->communist->socialist->social democrat->center left->center right -> libertarian -> fascist
wut now amerikkka
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Anonymous2008-06-01 20:52
>>22
This is why traditional right-left line fails, but far more accurate than the rest of retardation spurted out here.
If you can't figure this out you shouldn't be voting.
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Anonymous2008-06-02 8:13
>>19 >>20
Wow you really have a lot of time on your hands. How about using it to compose a logical argument in response to the following claims.
1: It's easy to make empty promises with socialism because of it's statist leanings.
2: Socialism promote plagiarism, disrupts distribution of economic authority and market forces along with wealth and removes a lot of the incentive to work.
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Anonymous2008-06-02 13:46
>>25
And the retard strikes again, once again ignoring facts and evidence and repeating his retarded delusions. How many times do you need to hear statism != socialism, and my retarded free-market fundamentalist friend? And how fucking retarded is it to cry about a system being INEFFISHUNT with no connection to theory (because, clearly you don't know anything about economics) and once again cry about those magical MARKET FORSAZ (which seems to be something someone made you memorize, and you're repeating thinking it magically solves things). Why not try to make peace with your retardation rather than cry about your misconceptions, fighting reality and truth just to suck a bit more of your masters cock?
Come back when you can comprehend facts, and reply to them rather than repeat your disproved delusions.
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Anonymous2008-06-02 14:10
>>25 >>26
hey guys(or should i say hey DUDE), you still doing that act?
it gets old after a while
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Libertaryan2008-06-02 14:13
>>25
UR KONFUSING MEH GREAT MASTAH!! I THOT SOSHALIZM WAS STAYT BUT NAO UR TELLIN MEH SOSHALIZM IS INEFFISHUNT! WE LIBERTARYANS HAVE BINARY BRAINS, HENCE WHY WE DON'T CARE ABOUT DEFINISHUNS AND HAVE TO MAKE UP OUR OWN RETARDED CRYING LUMPING EVERYTING TOGETHER - BUT NAO THAR ARE TWO MADE UP DEFINISHUNS! IT'S TOO KONFUSING FOR MY MEAGER LIBERTARYAN MIND, MAY THE MARKAT FORSAZ HELP ME AND THE INVISIBAL HAND JERK ME OFF!
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Anonymous2008-06-02 14:19
>>24
People with this level of intelligence shouldn't be allowed to breathe.
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Anonymous2008-06-02 15:22
>>29
People with this pitiful level of trolling ability shouldn't be allowed on chan sites.
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Anonymous2008-06-02 17:06
>>30
Enjoy not knowing even the simplest things about economics just to satiate your butthurt delusions. Crying BAWW TROLL MAED ME BUTTHURT doesn't change the truth.
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Anonymous2008-06-02 17:34
Socialism is FAIL. Fact.
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Libertaryan2008-06-02 17:58
I HAVE MADE A RETARDED DECLARATION - SOSHALIZM IS FAIL
AND SINCE EVERYTHING WHICH ISN'T FREE MARKET FUNDEMENTALISM IS SOSHALISM WITH MY RETARDED LOGIC, EVERYTHING EXCEPT LIBERTARYANIZM IS FAIL! SEE, WITH RETARD-GRADE LOGIC AND IGNORANCE OF TRUTH, YOU CAN EASILY DELUDE YOURSELF INTO BELIEVING DELUSIONARY CRAP IN TWO SIMPLE STEPS!
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Anonymous2008-06-02 18:11
>>31
So, where did you earn your Economics degree? What papers have you had published?
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Anonymous2008-06-02 18:26
>>34
Oh I watched fight club and g2 some anarchist sites that whine about capitalism.
>>34
Obviously you haven't heard of reading. Cry more, retarded loser who perpetually cries about scientifically unfeasible delusions.
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Anonymous2008-06-03 12:30
>>36
Sorry, I don't believe I've heard of that university.
Seriously though, you are NOT an expert in economics because you read a few books. Any asshole can pick up a book, read it, and completely miss the what the author was trying to express. Armchair economists such as yourself are a joke.
Your qualifications to judge any form of economics are nonexistent and you know it. Come back when have a master's degree in the appropriate field of study.
>>37 >>36
Your discussion stemmed from post >>24. Since this post the argument has not progressed at all. I'm sorry to say >>37 but you've been trolled, >>36 has succeeded in her butthurt kneejerk reaction against ideas she finds threatenning.
The usual flow of discourse is to show your opponent has made a fatal contradiction in the simplest terms possible. The opponent of course will deny that and continue trolling but you can begin your counter-trolling and return to your proof when the troll demands it.
lern2 /newpol/
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Anonymous2008-06-03 16:41
>>37
Because you have a masters degree, as exposed by the fact that you know utterly nothing about economics? Also, I've taken economics courses in university, which you've never been near to and you know it.
>>39
The same retarded loser who knows nothing is crying again. Unfortunately, repeating something wrong again and again doesn't make it true. Simply, reading >>10 could have corrected your butthurt delusions about what fascism is, but since you're a retarded libertarian you clearly aren't at peace with facts. Cry more.
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Libertaryan2008-06-03 16:45
BAWWW DEY OWNIN MEH WITH FAKTS!!! WHO NEED EDJUKASHUN AND KNOWLEDGE WEN YOU KAN BE LIBERTARYAN! I FLUNKED OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL BUT IT'S BEKUZ OF SOSHALIST GUV'MENT - CLEARLY I'M INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING IN A LIBERTARYAN MANNER, IT IS THAT LIBERTARYANISM IS GOOD, AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS SOSHALIST AND EVIL AND STAYTIST AND INEFFISHUNT! WHO ARE YOU TALKIN 'BOUT FACTS WHEN YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A MASTURZ DEGREE?? DON'T YOU KNOW THAT I DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO JUDGE THINGS FOR MYSELF, AND THEREFORE WILL REPEAT THE DISPROVEN BULLSHIT AGAIN AND AGAIN???
ALSO UR TROLLAN BEKUZ PROVIN ME RONG IS TROLLING, BEKUZ I CAN'T BE WRONG BEKUZ LIBERTARYANIZM IS INFALLIBAL, IT IZ PROOVEN BEKUZ BUSH IZ A LEFT-WING SOOSHALIZST!!
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Anonymous2008-06-04 14:03
>>40
No really. Do tell us all where you studied economics. Tell us the university. What level classes did you study? How many of them? How long ago was it? Did you get good grades?
You can't, because you haven't. You're either a troll or a colossal faggot who really doesn't know what he's talking about.
>>42
I don't want to expose my credentials, but I did take a macroeconomics course, and I did pass it with A- (attendance too was graded, unfortunately). This seems shocking to you, clearly, as an uneducated retard who doesn't know shit about not only economics, but nothing at all, as exposed by your retarded LIBERTARYAN cryings and arbitrary definitions which are exclusive to your retarded mindset. Come back when you can argue with facts rather than BAWWW U DUN NOW ANYTHUNG BEKUZ YOU EXPOSED MAH RETARDATION AND IGNORANCE LEAKING THROUGH MY UNEDUCATED RANTS BAAAWWWWWWWWWWW. It is hilarious for a completely retarded idiot so fucking obviously ignorant crying about the education level of the party owning him. Making the statements you made and being educated are mutually exclusive. Sorry.
1. I haven't said anything about libertariansim. You've got me mixed up with another poster.
2. "I don't want to expose my credentials" is a cop out. For all we know you took "macroeconomics" at shitty community college and your professor was grading on the curve with multiple choice tests. More over, I doubt you actually took any such class. You have nothing to lose by exposing your "credentials". You're just too embarrassed to admit you're wrong and you fail.
3. One macroeconomics class does not make you an expert. Even if you did take a nice course like that, undergraduate studies are joke. Tell me about the master's program you took.
4. Caps lock and exaggerated misspelling are sure signs that you can't make a valid argument against the thing you seem to hate so much. You provide no sources or examples for the things you claim. If you're too lazy to make a decent and civil argument about something you seem to be so irrationally passionate about I'm willing to bet you're too lazy to really study it at a serious, intellectual level.
>>46
Very simple question, if you aren't a retarded libertarian, and hence you didn't post >>24, why did you get so butthurt? Clearly, even if you aren't the retarded libertarian, you share his views.
Secondly, my views don't have value because of the courses I took, but because of their general validity - unlike you who believes in the aforementioned delusionary crap which isn't consistent with the universally recognized definitions. But, I understand as a completely uneducated idiot who can believe such things, you need to find refuge on the idea that everyone who doesn't have a masters in economics is as ignorant as you. This, unfortunately, isn't correct.
And, my style is crafted to ridicule the retarded beliefs of people such as yourself in a manner completely exposing the idiotic fallacies in their chain of thoughts. The success of this, is shown by the amount of crying the aforementioned retards respond with.