Why is libertarianism so infallible?

Libertarianism is the inclusion of every sapient being into the decision making process and all that logically follows from that. Utilitarianism is the objective of ensuring the most happiness for all sapient beings and all that logically follows from that. Sometimes they compliment each other, other times they contradict.

Discuss.

>>80
What is so difficult to understand about the fact that the socialist ideal has been used profusely throughout history to justify increasing the state's power over a country?

>>81
And, that somehow makes socialism statism, and the states with even the most minimal state intervention socialist, regardless of everything that defines socialism, because the retarded kid here made his own definiton.

The primitive logic chains you form are hilarious.

>>82
I didn't say they were completely socialist.

>>83
Neither did I claim that you did, however, again you don't have the intelligence to understand even a simple post explaining what you have spurted out, or are trying to waste time again. The matter of the fact is you declared bush etc. as socialist as I described in >>82. You may continue with your denial of facts now.

Put down Ayn Rand and take an actual political science/philosophy class.

>>84
>Neither did I claim that you did
Yes you did. In post >>84 you said...
>The matter of the fact is you declared bush etc. as socialist as I described in >>82.
Insufficient proof. Link to where I stated clearly I believe "All of Bush's policies are socialist, Bush believes in complete state control over the economy.".
>>85
Ayn Rand was an anarcho-capitalist. Anarchy and capitalism are mystical ideals that stem from marxism along with other fantasies such as socialism and communism.

>>86
Even with a complete clarification, you still can close your eyes and cry. I'm astounded by your capabilities. You said "Bush is socialist", and were owned, and now you are trying to run away from your failure in a hilarious way, as I described in >>83. Keep up with the good work, retard. You are showing the world how people with no knowledge over anything can go to insane lengths to defend their "views".

Also, lol a fucking retarded LIBERTARIAN crying about anarcho-capitalism, and even more funnily, crying about "fantasies". But of course you should ignore this portion of the post, as your tiny brain can't see the irony in this. If you could, you wouldn't have such an extremely retarded view of the world, would you?

>>86
Rand pretty much holds your ideology, accusing everything to be actually socialist. Her followers also deny the existence of Sputnik, which is a nice twist from those who don't believe in the moon landing. Anarcho-capitalism is to libertarianism as Anarchist-communism is to libertarian socialism.

I'll be back when you take those classes.

>>87
>>88
In post >>84 you said
>Neither did I claim that you did
Which was contradicted in the next sentence
>The matter of the fact is you declared bush etc. as socialist as I described in >>82.

You are fixating on 3 words which you are taking out of context. Insufficient proof. Link to where I stated clearly I believe "All of Bush's policies are socialist, Bush believes in complete state control over the economy." to prove me wrong.

Also that "CRY HARDER" shit is getting old. If I had an emotional connection to this discussion I'd fill up my posts with useless name calling.

>>89
Unfortunately, your denial is not at all logical, therefore it is a fact that you are a butthurt retard crying, and there is no name-calling, all the adjectives I have laid on you stem from your views which declare you to be retarded.

You have said bush was socialist, and then cried about HE ISN'T KOMPLETELY SOSHALIST. This is natural from a retard of your proportions, but as I have explained, bush doesn't have ANY socialist policies, and even if etatism was socialism like your retarded mind thought, even still he wouldn't be socialist simply because being a knuckle-dragging right-winger and having one "socialist" policy wouldn't make him socialist, hence my commentary about how your pathetic mind divided things initially as SOSHALIST and LIBERTARYAN and then added a percentage value to SOSHALIST after the very long ownage.

http://politicalcompass.org/uselection - oh man, look at what a left wing eeeevil SOSHALIST bush i-oh wait.

Not to mention, I still have to see how you are going to perfom your retarded apologetics on libertarian socialism/anarchist communism. It is always fun to see a retard drooling trying to counter the truth with his delusions.

To sum up keep crying, retarded loser. Enjoy not having any knowledge or intelligence, and spending your time fighting facts because you are an indoctrinated idiot.

>>90
internet debate, etc.

>>90
Let's look at the points you have made without the name calling presumably motivated by your shock at the libertarian idea that socialism is being used to justify crony capitalist and state socialist policies.

1: I am calling you names because of your views.
Yes, you are. When you back them up with fact maybe your words will carry more weight.
2: You said "bush is a socialist" and your explanation that you are aware he is not completely socialist is crying.
So every time I provide an argument it is crying and means I am a retard, that's odd. Maybe you should disprove me first.
3: Bush doesn't have any socialist policies.
Well go back to >>61 and instead of calling me names actually disprove me. Also answer the question posited in >>77. Assuming it was you I was talking to you. You are not the first extremist I have happened across.
4: Having one socialist policy does not make Bush a socialist.
So how many socialist policies does one need? I guess you don't consider Bush a socialist and Bush is a socialist by my standards, but that's just semantics. Empirically we both agree he has some policies which correlate with socialist principles,  it is merely my argument that such policies are problematic. Why is this a crime? Surely someone with such contempt for the W would approve of criticism of him.
5: You are being apologetic
I fail to see the relevance of whether I am apologetic or not?
Does it matter what my motivation is? What matters is whether my assertions can be proven in logical debate or not. You seem to care more about my motivation and emotional state than the arguments at hand. Perhaps you should study libertarian political philosophy now.

>>92
The only point you have made, is that a retard, such as yourself, will repeat what he is told even if disproven, because he doesn't have the capacity to judge whether it is true or not. I couldn't have asked for a more obvious example than a moron repeating BUSH IS SOCIALSIT BECAUSE IT IS SO IN MY IMAGINARY DEFINITIONS WORLD LIBERTARYANIZM DERP DERP DERP DERP, making the globe facepalm.

Once again, the retard cries about his personal delusions, with no facts at all. My only shock is that there is a person in this planet who can believe something this retarded. We also see that the retard has ignored the points made, and made up irrelevant points to answer, but I won't push on this as he simply doesn't have the capacity to understand simple English. Let's see how the retard fared with his butthurt defense;

1-Irony, etc. A person crying about "BUSH IZ SOSHALIST" is talking about facts.
2-You have been disproven repeatedly, but as I stated, you are too retarded to realize this. You keep ignoring the truth.
3-You still think statism is socialism, which I have said stems from your retardation. Come back when you learn what socialism is.
4-As repeatedly stated, your standards mean nothing since you are an uneducated retard. Bush isn't a socialist, and pretty much everyone in this globe knows this, yet you can classify a far right leader as socialist, this isn't a crime, it's just stupid and funny. Your insistence at this obviously wrong statement however, is pathetic.
5-You fail at seeing something? I can't believe it!

What matters is, you are still repeating your disproven delusions, as an example of how a moron can defend his views to death, defying all logic and reason. Maybe you should study anything so the things you say aren't spoon-fed bullshit with no relevance to truth, exposing you as an uneducated idiot.  And funnily, you should know that while most libertarians are idiotic kids running around RON PAWL RON PAWL under influence of viral marketing, even they are better at this than you.

As you see, you are butthurt from "name calling", because clearly there is a truth behind all this. Take your time, but please, at least bother to find different things next time. I know you aren't capable of much conscious thought, but at least you should stop repeating the same retarded bullshit.

>My only shock is that there is a person in this planet who can believe something this retarded.

No, in Turkey we have a guy who says everyone else is secretly socialist. His other well-known opinion is that offside should be removed from football. Needless to say, no one takes him seriously, and during elections his party tends to receive the least amount of votes (which is not much, as there are hundreds of parties here). But that, apparently, is a communist conspiracy against him.

Also, >>91

>>92
YOU'RE A RETARD, YOU'RE A DERP DERP DERP DERP YOU'RE A POO POO HEAD BRAIN

>>94
So anyone who thinks socialism isn't a good idea is instantly like this one guy from turkey who thinks boogeymen are out to get him. I guess you have every right to ignore everything I say, you're never wrong, you're special and if anyone disproves you they are RETARDAD DERP DERP DERP.

>>96
I think that the post meant that saying everyone was socialist was stupid, but congratulations on understanding "everyone must say socialism is a good idea" from that post. But, of course, that isn't a bit surprising as you are an organism which is capable of making the aforementioned retarded claim, which, on this earth, only you and a moron from Turkey does. And of course, since the things you say range from "LESS STAYT CONTROL WILL BRING PARADISE ON EARTH, MAGIC PIXIES AND INVISIBLE HAND" to "DERP DERP BUSH IS SOCIALIST DERP DERP", if you could think for a while, you could see why you should be ignored...

>>95
Now we see, the butthurt retard ran out of crying material about how he was owned with logic and reason, and now exposes his low intelligence with posts like this. Funny thing is, this post isn't nearly as sad as the posts he tried to argue seriously.

>>97
WHAT DO U MEAN, IM JUST SAYING THAT LIBERTARYANISM IS STUPAD

AHAHAHAHHAHA DERP DERP DERP STATE CONTROLS OVER THE ECONOMY CAUSE INEFFICIENCY AND CRONYISM BBAAAWWWW WHAT A FAGGOT HE IS FOR THINKING THESE THINGS!

>>98
It's nice to see that after severe ownage you ran out of material to cry with, but even at your pathetic attempt to emulate how your retardation was exposed again and again, making you this butthurt, unfortunately you still repeat the things that have shown how retarded you were in the same wording. But I think that is because your 'political knowledge' is actually a series of strings someone made you memorize 'KROOOONYIZM!!!!' 'x IS SOSHALIST!!!!' and 'DAT IS INEFFISHUNT!!!!! LESS STAYT KONROOLL!!!!'. Regardless of the subject, you repeat these. Nice, but people with brains are trying to discuss things, and you are blocking the way. Come back when you have the capacity to respond with valid arguments.

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>>100 is socialist

>>101
Racist.

>>102 loves the cock

>>99
OMG IM AGREEING WITH YOU


BUUUHHHH, IM A LIBERTARYAN I BELIEVE THAT STAYT CONTRAL OVAR TEH IKONOMI IZ WONG, BUUUUUHHH THAT MAKES ME STUPID DERP DER PDERP

>>99
>Come back when you have the capacity to respond with valid arguments.
If that's what you believe then go back to >>61 and answer the question posited in >>77 instead of calling me names actually disprove me. Also >>104 is not much different from any of your typical responses. If they are conditionned responses with no thought behind them you should be able to disprove them concisely without tomes of DERPS and other garble.

>>105
Too bad you were already owned repeatedly in this thread and the preceding thread about how your retarded definition was so fucking wrong. >>104 is actually a more intelligent post than that. Enjoy.

If you want examples to look at and cry, see http://dis.4chan.org/read/newpol/1180954230/836. You haven't made any way since then, but you may look at
http://dis.4chan.org/read/newpol/1180954230/881-920 for a series of definitions owning you, and you crying, incapable of responding with factual arguments. That is natural since BUSH IS SOSHALIST is your personal delusion with no connection to facts. Also, you may see that your pathetic mind wasn't able to answer posts in this thread as well, again because you are so fucking wrong. You may look at any of >>71 >>58 >>8 >>25 >>82 >>87 >>90 >>97 etc. if you want to cry more.

Also notice how your retarded mind wasn't able to answer any posts about anarchist communism, libertarian socialism, or even this very simple graph . This, naturally, is because your apologetics which you use to hide your retardation (albeit very unsuccessfully) are inefficient facing facts.

But, since you are a retard which ignored the truth once before, I'm not expecting different result. You may cry about HE'S KALLIN MEH NAMEZ!!!! HOW DID HE KNOW I WAS RETARDED BAWWWWWWWWWWW, and of course with your new hobby >>104
 which exposes the fact that you couldn't even understand the logic behind a simple form which apparently made you cry so that you are trying to do it yourself, you tried to copy it hoping that it would invoke the same effect it invoked on you. Unfortunately, without real content, it just serves as another testament to your retardation, showing that you didn't understand even those.

>>104
more like

DERP DERP DERP I'M A RETARDED UNEDUCATED KID WHO WAS TOLD SOSHALIZM WAS EEVIL SO I CALL PEOPLE I DUN LIEK SOSHALIST, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY ARE ORN OT!! DEFINITIONZ? WHO KARES, I MAKE UP MY OWN DEFINITIONS, WHO CARES ABOUT DA TRUTH, THE REAL WORLD IS SCARY AND TOO COMPLEX FOR MY MEAGER MENTAL CAPABILITIES, SOSHIALIZM, STATISM, TAXES, ECONOMY, SERVICE... TOO COMPLEX FOR ME I'LL JUST CALL TEM ALL ONE THING! LIVING IN IMAGINATIONLAND FTW!!! SUCK IT, FAGS WHO SAID I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING, I CAN UNDERSTAND IT IF I MAKE UP THINGS MYSELF, AND IGNORE TRUTH AND CONTRADICTING EVIDANS!!

WHY ARE YOU STILL POINTING AND LAUGHING?? BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

>>106
I can't be botherred to respond to you anymore if you are going to use terms such as "cry more" for the 800th time. Sorry.

>>108
Nice excuse to run away from ownage, though I would have expected you to ignore the arguments more indirectly, given your record. I shouldn't have really bothered to respond to you after you used terms like KROONYIZM, or repeated sentences such as BUSH IS LEFT-WING SOCIALIST, which proved your ignorance. And oh, I forgot to repost the graph placing Bush on far right, but if you want you can find it a few posts above.

Until then, resume your crying.

>>109
Sorry but you have depleted my care reserves. I will now only respond to a series of facts and reasonings based on those facts.

>>110
That's funny, because you couldn't answer to any facts before, why the sudden change? If you are so willing, why not go back to >>106 where I made a summary exposing how ridiculous and far away from facts your "opinions" were? Oh wait, you simply can't, because they are irrefutable facts, unlike your X IS SOSHALIST and assorted whining. Well then, go back to crying.

>>111
Actually it's your call. You've depleted my care reserves so there is nothing I can do until you go back to >>106, copy paste it into the reply box, proof read, delete all the name calling and click reply.

>>112
Thanks for proving me right once again, by showing your inability to respond to factual arguments once again.

And then, after doing such things, you cry about NAEM KALLEN. It is clear that all the adjectives I laid on you stem from careful observations about your uneducated whining, and the fact that you're severely butthurt about this, to the degree you're now utilizing this as an excuse to run away from your ownage, shows how much truth it has. So, keep up with the crying. Who else is SOSHALIST now?

http://dis.4chan.org/read/newpol/1211470169/21
By reducing state interference in the economy to that which is necessary to enforce justice, by preserving property law and business agreements, the framework necessary for people to utilise their economics and business management skills without impediment is achieved. How efficient they are as a consumer, employee and/or manager is another matter.

>My only constellation
>retarded losers with clearly no education

>>114
So it's like magic. Beautiful, but I'd rather take something which is not scientifically and logically implausible wishful thinking.

>>115
So it's wishful thinking that you can get more freedoms? Let me gb2 1775 and inform the culpepper minutemen that all their efforts are futile.

>>116
It is wishful thinking that REMOVIN STAYT FROM EKONOMAH will magically bring you more freedoms, and all the problems that are stated theoretically and proven historically about capitalism will magically disappear aswell, but since you're a retard with no reading comprehension who believes in such delusional crap I shouldn't have expected you to understand this simple point.

>>116
Also, lol@retarded American INVOKAN PATRIYOTIZM sentence. The sadder thing is, of course, that the retard doesn't even understand how pathetic his sequence of irrelevant weasel words are.

>>117
As has already been explained here >>114, libertarianism is about providing the freedom necessary for people to utilise their skills in the free market. State capitalism is flawed, but there is nothing wrong with the free market.
>>118
What's wrong with patriotism and national self-determination? The ideals in the past that people have fought for and became a reality are about freedom, those which do not succeed consist of volumes of ideology which intrude on every aspect of life. Whether it's islamic extremism or some other religion like socialism, totalitarianist ideals always leads to a military dictatorship.

>>119
You have a brilliant style, to a post saying all your posts are misinformed bullshit with weasel words and no substance, you respond with more weasal words and more crying with no connection to facts. To a post laughing at sterotypical retarded "FOR DA KUNTRY!!!!" crying, you really respond with a post defending crying meaninglessly FOR DOZE WHO FOUGHT FOR FREEDUHM!!!!! ALSO, SOOOSHALISTS!!!! Which pretty much proves your retardation is genuine.

In other news, one has to be genuinely retarded to believe that free markets will bring freedom to the masses, as it contradicts with pretty much everything economics and history has proven so far, but a retarded libertarian naturally doesn't know about these, and thinks his pathetic system to make the rich richer is the antithesis to state capitalism.