The Holocaust was well-documented by the extremely bureaucratic German government itself. It was further witnessed by the Allied forces who entered Germany and its associated Axis states towards the end of World War II. Among the evidence produced was film and stills that showed the existence of prisoner camps, as well as the testimony of those freed when the camps were entered. The Holocaust was a massive undertaking that lasted for years and was implemented across several countries, with its own command and control infrastructure, a bureaucracy that left a large trail of documentation. Although Nazi officials made attempts to destroy evidence of the Holocaust when it became evident that their defeat was imminent, substantial documentation remained. After the Nazi defeat, many documents were recovered, including numerous reports written by the Nazis about the number of Jews killed, records of train shipments of Jews to the camps, orders for tons of cyanide and other poisons, and large numbers of photographs and films of the camps and their victims. Many thousands of not-yet-decomposed bodies were found in mass graves located near facilities that were indisputably concentration camps. Thousands of interviews with survivors, perpetrators, and bystanders added to the massive level of documentation that attended the Holocaust. A diary written by German anti-Nazi Friedrich Kellner attests that some atrocities, such as the murder of Jews at gunpoint, were indeed committed by German soldiers, but also illustrates that an awareness of such crimes was present among some German anti-Nazis.
Aerial photographs of Auschwitz indicate that what appears to be ash produced in Auschwitz was piled into the nearby river and marsh, and there is well-documented evidence that other ash was used as fertilizer in nearby fields. Photographs of Treblinka taken by the camp commandant show what looks to be ash piles being distributed by steam shovels.
Holocaust deniers often ignore the documents produced by the Nazis themselves, who used figures of between 9 and 11 million for the Jewish population of Europe, as evidenced in the notes of the Wannsee Conference. In fact, the Nazis methodically recorded the ongoing reduction of the Jewish population, as in the Korherr Report, which gave the status of the Final Solution through December, 1942:
The Nazis themselves documented many of their crimes. The Höfle Telegram was sent by SS-Sturmbannführer Hermann Höfle on January 11, 1943 to SS-Obersturmbannführer Adolf Eichmann in Berlin and detailed the number of deaths of Jews in the concentration camps. In the year 1942 alone, the telegram lists 1,274,166 Jews were exterminated in the four camps of Akton Reinhard. The Korherr Report compiled by an SS statistician, gave a conservative total of 2,454,000 Jews deported to extermination camps or killed by the Einsatzgruppen. The complete status reports of the Einsatzgruppen death squads were found in the archives of the Gestapo when it was searched by the U.S. Army, and the accuracy attested to by the former Einsatzgruppen members who testified during war crime trials and at other times. These reports alone list an additional 1,500,000 or so murders during mass shootings, the vast majority of these victims were Jews.
Holocaust deniers discount the testimony of officers claiming that these witnesses were tortured, or that Rudolf Hoess allegedly signed a confession written in a language he did not understand (English) or that the Nuremberg Trial did not follow proper judicial procedures. However, Hoess's testimony did not consist of merely a signed confession; he also wrote two volumes of memoirs before being brought to trial and gave extensive testimony outside of the Nuremberg proceedings. Further, his testimony agrees with that of other contemporary written accounts by Auschwitz officials, such as Pery Broad, an SS man stationed at Auschwitz while Hoess was the commandant and the diary kept by SS physician at Auschwitz Johann Kremer, as well as the testimony of hundreds of camp guards and victims.
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Took a peek at your bullshit. The Holocaust was well-documented by the extremely bureaucratic German government itself.
Except the gassing part. Among the evidence produced was film and stills that showed the existence of prisoner camps, as well as the testimony of those freed when the camps were entered.
We know that they were in camps. That has nothing to do with their being gassed or not. After the Nazi defeat, many documents were recovered, including numerous reports written by the Nazis about the number of Jews killed,
Nope. records of train shipments of Jews to the camps,
Yep. orders for tons of cyanide and other poisons,
Delousing agents for lice. and large numbers of photographs and films of the camps and their victims.
Not of gassings. Many thousands of not-yet-decomposed bodies were found in mass graves located near facilities that were indisputably concentration camps.
Camps without crematoria had to bury typhus & other diseased victims. Thousands of interviews with survivors, perpetrators, and bystanders added to the massive level of documentation that attended the Holocaust.
And when I use testimonies to show the contradictions with the official story, it's suddenly hearsay and irrelevant. :) Holocaust deniers often ignore the documents produced by the Nazis themselves, who used figures of between 9 and 11 million for the Jewish population of Europe, as evidenced in the notes of the Wannsee Conference.
The Wannsee Conference is about deportations, if you read the minutes. Hoaxsters put tinfoil hats on and say this is a code word for murder. The Höfle Telegram was sent by SS-Sturmbannführer Hermann Höfle on January 11, 1943 to SS-Obersturmbannführer Adolf Eichmann in Berlin and detailed the number of deaths of Jews in the concentration camps. In the year 1942 alone, the telegram lists 1,274,166 Jews were exterminated in the four camps of Akton Reinhard.
It talks about recorder arrivals, not murder. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%B6fle_Telegram
Read it for yourself.
Also, it's Reinhardt. The Korherr Report compiled by an SS statistician, gave a conservative total of 2,454,000 Jews deported to extermination camps or killed by the Einsatzgruppen.
Nope, just deported. Extermination is a figment of hoaxsters' imagination. These reports alone list an additional 1,500,000 or so murders during mass shootings, the vast majority of these victims were Jews.
Most use "code words" ... some are true and executions of partisans that engaged in anti-Axis activities on the Eastern Front. If you read any history book, you'd know they were a shitload and Jews were more than happy to take part in it. Holocaust deniers discount the testimony of officers claiming that these witnesses were tortured, or that Rudolf Hoess allegedly signed a confession written in a language he did not understand (English) or that the Nuremberg Trial did not follow proper judicial procedures. However, Hoess's testimony did not consist of merely a signed confession; he also wrote two volumes of memoirs before being brought to trial and gave extensive testimony outside of the Nuremberg proceedings. Further, his testimony agrees with that of other contemporary written accounts by Auschwitz officials, such as Pery Broad, an SS man stationed at Auschwitz while Hoess was the commandant and the diary kept by SS physician at Auschwitz Johann Kremer, as well as the testimony of hundreds of camp guards and victims.
Great, reading what non-"deniers" say about what "deniers" say. That's really smart. Why don't you use primary sources so you won't blatantly lie?
Any source which is authored by a person of Jewish religion or descent, a Jewish organization or group, anyone who has at one time talked to a Jew, or anyone who uses the term Holocaust Denial instead of Holocaust Revisionism is automatically a non-reliable source
>>14
Actually, he's not being racist. He's being anti-nation, in this case, that nation is Israel.
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>>17
That's still racist. Not everyone in Israel enjoys murdering Palestinians.
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Anonymous2011-03-04 3:14
>>18
So, what are they doing about it? Are they such a small minority that they can't do anything? If so, why are we looking at the exception and missing the rule?
Anyway, to put this on solid ground. It's not israelis or jewish or hebrews that enjoy murdering palestinians but the majority of the people who do belong to all of those groups. Specificaly the israeli settlers.
The holocaust does not justify this just as being a rape victim doesn't justify going around raping people. Deep down it's all about their stupid and backwards religion (similar to muslims in a sense) that tells them that this is the land that was promised to them by god. WHY DID GOD PUT PALESTINIANS THERE THEN? Just another case of religious fundamentalism....
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Anonymous2011-03-04 7:06
>>19
What do you mean "what are they doing about it?"
Not everyone spends every day of their waking existence trying to produce confirmation of or write the wrongs of their neighbor. For many people, the phrase "it just happens" applies when talking about the rest of life, not because they don't care, but they have other things to do, be it somewhat important or trivial.
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Anonymous2011-03-04 7:23
>>19
Judging by elections they are not a minority but a majority, they have granted muslims universal suffrage and even various affirmative action programs. What they can't do is change the opinion of the minority whom have developed a neuroses of paranoia, anxiety and terror due to this obsession with the holocaust such that they are prepared to inflict similar actions apon fellow human beings despite the blatant cognitive dissonance.
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Anonymous2011-03-04 14:37
>>21
What do you mean they have granted muslims universal sufrage? They've killed thousants of palestinians in the last 5 years I can remember. Allowing them to vote isn't realy that much. Let alone having stolen palestinian land.
And before you start going: "israelis are not all the same", of course they are not. Zionists are.
As for the governments they have been electing - especialy the current one - they have been stopping all peace talks, they have continued the settler activity, and they keep denying palestinians the right to live peacefully in their own land by embargoing the shit out of them. In fact, if it wasn't for US support it have been condemned dozens of times in the last five years.
I'm sorry but the holocaust doesn't justify this. I've got nothing against israelis, in fact I love my isratrance and I know well that there are strong anti-zionist movements within israel. Other nations (even though I hate the word) have suffered similar disasters. Take the armenians for example. They suffered an easily compared genocide ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide ). They don't display such evil behaviour, they don't have a wall of shame and of course the international community didn't try to help them because they didn't have oil or any specific resources in their land (or so they thought until much later, plus they wouldn't get anywhere that close to russia).
So to set this straight, israelis are not the source of the problem here. Zionism and 'international' vested interests in the area are supporting israel to act like that. For most israelis as >>20 said "it just happens".
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Anonymous2011-03-04 20:34
Please construct a moral argument for forcing the Israelis to leave and give the land back, that would not equally apply to forcing everyone of Saxon descent to leave the UK and give the country back to the Irish and the Welsh.