Ronald Reagan

Was Ronald Reagan the first neo-con? Because the current batch of them all seem to fap over him uncontrollably during debates.

Yes.

Reagan was the best president of the last 50 years. That's all I know about him.

>>3
lol you cant say that without knowing anything else about him.

Jimmy Carter was the faggot who ruined the country by changing foreign policy to be based on human rights.  The result was America having to pretend to care about things happening to people outside its borders.  Consequently America got dragged into policing the world and that became an excuse for further faggotry.

>>5
They could've just ignored Jimmy Carter's ideals on that. He was a horrid president otherwise.

ITT we don't know what neo-con stands for

Neocon stands for neo-conservative. People who are socially conservative and fiscally liberal. Ronald Reagan was as such. He cut taxes yes, but he did not CUT SPENDING. Instead, he borrowed the money to continue to build government up.

>>8
0/10

>>8
No, the neocon movement was started by ex-leftists; most of them are socially liberal. I don't really know if Reagan would even be considered a neocon. When people talk about neocons they are talking about the ones who want an aggresive foreign policy to replace hostile regimes, like what we are doing in the Middle East right now.

>>10
What the fuck? Are you nuts? The neocons are in charge of the republican party and they sure as hell aren't socially liberal. They dont want us to abort babies and they want unity of church and state.

>>11
Do you only see Republicans as one big faction? Sounds like you are describing the religious right. ALL neocons support the war in Iraq, but not all people who support the war in Iraq are neocons. Neoconservatism is more of an intellectual movement and a world view. It's dominated mainly by Jews and Zionist sympathizers. I'd say Guliani is a good example of a neocon politician. His background is that of a liberal yet he's a Republican candidate and very tough on "Islamic terror" and Iran.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

neoconservatism is the new national socialism.

Discuss.

>>13 the terms are unrelated.

discuss.

>>14
Not entirely.

Both of the movements have similar aims. To discourage thought and  to encourage popular hatred. Towards any object of derision that is a supposed "threat to the nation". The national socialists had jews and bolsheviks, the neocons have communists and now islamic terrorists

Neoconservatism is not a intellectual movement, it is a propagandist movement perpetuated through spiralling volleys of hateful speech and prose from people like Ann Coulter who show nothing but disgust and absolute loathing for people who don't absolute agreement. The need for totalitarianist absolute agreement, is a common link that the two movements share. They both are very UNDEFINABLE idealistically, except for the fact that the two movements aimed at perpetuating greater degrees of power.

Of course, the neoconservatives are far more generous to liberty than the national socialists, especially compared to people like Hitler. Most neocons aren't that competent in their aim as him, look at Nixon for christ's sake.

In fact, I'd be willing to say that the movement itself is very passive and non-violent, and it's aim is to secure the luxury of power for the aristocratic class.

Ronald Reagen enjoyed Jelly Beans.

>>12
The problem is that Cheney and Bush are the posterboys for the neocon movement and they're both social conservatives. Same with Newt Gingrich. There are VERY few republicans who are actually pro-abortion and all that.

HE DEFEATED COMMUNISM

This thread is hereby declared full of fail and AIDS.

>>19
That settles it now that a tripfag has posted in it

>>1
I think Barry Goldwater was sort of the original, and his name sounds pretty jewy.

>>21
I thought people use the term 'Barry Goldwater conservative' to describe the harkening back to before the neocon movement.

>>22
per Wikipedia:

Goldwater was much less active as a national leader of conservatives after 1964; his followers mostly rallied behind Ronald Reagan, who became Governor of California in 1966 and President of the United States in 1981.

and:
The columnist George Will remarked after the 1980 Presidential election that “it took 16 years to count the votes [of the 1964 election], and Goldwater won.”

so, he was sorta the original.

neocons are a bunch of Reagan wannabes who think talking "tough" will make them popular, which has sadly worked.

REGAN SMASH!