There's ZERO reason to think that one man should earn the sum of what 20,000 people earn. Government, which represents its citizens, can help with rational safety nets and income redistribution. It's too bad the Republicunts love to exploit people's morals. It was alcohol in the early 1900s. Race in the 1950s and not its gays.
ALSO Ron Paul is retarded.
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Anonymous2007-11-01 11:17
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Anonymous2007-11-01 15:46
>>38
"Your argument is empty; it doesn't account for why they wouldn't be held to a standard and reasonable pay."
I'm not sure what you mean by "held".
Since the total payments made to purchase a house will be lower it means more people can afford it. Also fair tax allows the highest reasonable capital fluidity possible meaning that the poor will find it easier to take out loans or save, like most things in life you have to take advantage of the benefits to receive them. I guess some people still think that's too much.
>>39
In the context of the conversation..
"the government picks up the tab for a lot of things the middle class requires"
isn't specific.
"but that doesn't mean that upon elimination of government interventionism in the financial needs of the middle class will suddenly make the problems of laissez faire disappear"
Past/present tense error.
I'm trying not to nitpick. I would assume that you disagree with a system which allows businessmen to earn enormous salaries and believe they should be "held" back to reasonable amounts. Perhaps my last post was unclear. I was putting forward that they would naturally not have such large salaries under a fairtax system as tax levied from middle class salaries in our current system would be lumped on their businesses meaning they would have to lower their dividend payouts and executive salaries in order to compete.
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Anonymous2007-11-01 15:48
oops..
>>39
"Your argument is empty; it doesn't account for why they wouldn't be held to a standard and reasonable pay."
I'm not sure what you mean by "held".
In the context of the conversation..
"the government picks up the tab for a lot of things the middle class requires"
isn't specific.
"but that doesn't mean that upon elimination of government interventionism in the financial needs of the middle class will suddenly make the problems of laissez faire disappear"
Past/present tense error.
I'm trying not to nitpick. I would assume that you disagree with a system which allows businessmen to earn enormous salaries and believe they should be "held" back to reasonable amounts. Perhaps my last post was unclear. I was putting forward that they would naturally not have such large salaries under a fairtax system as tax levied from middle class salaries in our current system would be lumped on their businesses meaning they would have to lower their dividend payouts and executive salaries in order to compete.
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Anonymous2007-11-01 21:05
Actually, the difference in pay is pretty important.
Expensive goods are expensive because of the materials and work required to produce them. They're not meant to be bought by John Doe until the costs of producing them sinks due to investments.
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Anonymous2007-11-01 21:10
Generalizations are suck. Not all rich people got there the easy way, not all poor people choose to be poor.
Any system will arbitrarily fuck over someone else, its just the less weathly get fucked over that much harder.
So the more fucked over try to devise a system that transfers the fucked over across income gap.
I believe they the way you're thinking is "Certain goods should be available to all and the government should make it cheaper"
Well, the problem is you can't print money to invest in everything that's important for you. Some tried but failed hard.
If you spend money on a cure for cancer you'll lack money to spend it on a cure for fail and AIDS.
How do you decide which one is more important? Well, supply and demand beat everything else so far.
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Anonymous2007-11-01 21:47
Communism doesn't work? Communism HASN'T worked. Thus far it's only been tried combined with unbelievable corruption, dictatorship, and with the notable problem of the crushing, irreparable financial embargoes placed on it by capitalist nations fearing the unacceptable presence of a thriving communist state. The idea of communism, far from only being a recent development on the world stage, has been championed by some of the most admired and brilliant thinkers in human history. Let's not, like our predecessors in previous generations, irrationally condemn something which is rooted in the idea of humanism.
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Anonymous2007-11-01 21:54
Nazism doesn't work? Nazism HASN'T worked. Thus far it's only been tried combined with unbelievable corruption, dictatorship, and with the notable problem of the crushing, irreparable financial embargoes placed on it by capitalist nations fearing the unacceptable presence of a thriving nazi state. The idea of nazism , far from only being a recent development on the world stage, has been championed by some of the most admired and brilliant thinkers in human history. Let's not, like our predecessors in previous generations, irrationally condemn something which is rooted in the idea of humanism.
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Anonymous2007-11-01 21:57
Despotism doesn't work? Despotism HASN'T worked. Thus far it's only been tried combined with unbelievable corruption, dictatorship, and with the notable problem of the crushing, irreparable financial embargoes placed on it by capitalist nations fearing the unacceptable presence of a thriving despotic state. The idea of despotism, far from only being a recent development on the world stage, has been championed by some of the most admired and brilliant thinkers in human history. Let's not, like our predecessors in previous generations, irrationally condemn something which is rooted in the idea of humanism.
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Anonymous2007-11-01 22:00
Feudalism doesn't work? Feudalism HASN'T worked. Thus far it's only been tried combined with unbelievable corruption, dictatorship, and with the notable problem of the crushing, irreparable financial embargoes placed on it by capitalist nations fearing the unacceptable presence of a thriving feudal state. The idea of feudalism, far from only being a recent development on the world stage, has been championed by some of the most admired and brilliant thinkers in human history. Let's not, like our predecessors in previous generations, irrationally condemn something which is rooted in the idea of humanism.
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Anonymous2007-11-01 22:02
Racism doesn't work? Racism HASN'T worked. Thus far it's only been tried combined with unbelievable corruption, dictatorship, and with the notable problem of the crushing, irreparable financial embargoes placed on it by capitalist nations fearing the unacceptable presence of a thriving racist state. The idea of racism, far from only being a recent development on the world stage, has been championed by some of the most admired and brilliant thinkers in human history. Let's not, like our predecessors in previous generations, irrationally condemn something which is rooted in the idea of humanism.
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Anonymous2007-11-01 22:06
Okay, let's explore that. First off, despotism is more or less the same thing as dictatorship, which does not by any means HAVE to be combined with a communist state, so let's put that right out. As for Naziism, I apologize for not specifying that the American ideals of freedom and equality of birth of all men and women, and success based on merit are noble and required goals of any civilized society, and not incompatible with an ideal communist state. A naziism with respect for these basic rights is nothing more than socialism, which works quite well throughout the world stage in varying degrees.
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Anonymous2007-11-01 22:10
Okay, feudalism is completely incompatible with any logic of any group anywhere, and arose out of necessity for SOMETHING in a world lacking any other form of "economy". And racism isn't even a socio-economic principle; it's a nasty ideal. I get the point; my original post was vague and not tightly structured. Shall we blow holes in it all night, or converge into a meaningful discussion about it?
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Anonymous2007-11-01 22:12
just GTFO nigger
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Anonymous2007-11-01 22:13
...And actually, Nazi economic principle more closely aligns with pure capitalism than socialism anyway...
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Anonymous2007-11-01 22:14
Nigger? I'm an eskimo.
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Anonymous2007-11-01 22:16
Look, I'm not stating let's turn everything into a communist state; I'm just saying some of the ideals of an ideal communist state should be goals of any civilized state, and to throw the baby out with the bathwater in a kneejerk reaction to the complete opposite extreme is no more of a solution than to the other.
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Anonymous2007-11-01 22:18
GTFO nigger
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Anonymous2007-11-01 22:19
Excellent riposte, worthy adversary. Truly, I am no match for your razor sharp wit and argumentative genius.
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Anonymous2007-11-01 22:21
GTFO nigger
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Anonymous2007-11-01 22:24
Excellent riposte, worthy adversary. Truly, I am no match for your razor sharp wit and argumentative genius. And I'm actually going to leave on that note; as much as I'd like to join in your masturbatory ritual here. Adios!
how did it solve The Great Depression? oh wait, the free market CAUSED the great depression and FDR's government intervention with the New Deal SOLVED it.
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Anonymous2007-11-01 22:41
AMEN!
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Anonymous2007-11-01 22:42
Although, to be completely fair, the great depression was in many ways the result of a poor understanding of the way the free market worked. Granted, we know a lot more today, but it's far from a self-correcting system.
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Anonymous2007-11-01 22:45
Looks you got lost on your way to Mexico.
You still need to GTFO, nigger.
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Anonymous2007-11-01 22:47
Sorry, got distracted by a chat window. GTFOing now.
Maybe i am losing my sight, but i think i just saw someone Actauly say GOV. PICKS UP A TAB? ROTFL! American citizens pick up that tab, and the tab for everything else we are not represented for... illegal immagrents (not paying approprite taxes) using public services, men a women who refuse to work(and get a check and a fatty tax cut to boot).
i agree that we are all getting fucked, the only market that is fair for all partys is one free of government, i dont need some asshole taking my hard earned scratch, just to give it to someone else. what makes you think that someone else will do a better job of taking care of you and your family that you? if you honestly think that the government is in the buseness to hold your hand while you pretend to protect yourself, and protent to provide for your family, i hate to tell you you are dead wrong.
we need to step up and take care of our own, not rely on someone whos coke habit rivals the the one held by the guy who posted before me...
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Anonymous2007-11-02 19:11
On the other hand, we pay out the ass for lazy niggers to buy crack and cell phones and mexicans build us cheap driveways and porches. Which race needs expulsion again?