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Should Every State have RTC?

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-14 10:39

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_YTM_eAWnQ
Should the rest of the United States pass RTC (Right to Carry) laws? Most states, as you can see in the link below, have passed right to carry laws - laws that allow citizens to carry concealed firearms for their protection.  As it stands, there are only a handful of states in the USA that DO NOT allow their citizens the right to carry.  Among these:  California, New York, Wisconsin, Illinois,  Maryland, as well as many of the smaller liberal northeastern states.  There are even some states that don't even require a person get a license to carry, and indeed, these are some of the safest states of any in the country - Vermont and Alaska. 
http://www.nraila.org/images/rtcmaplg.jpg

In a recent Supreme Court case, the court ruled that the police have no duty to protect you as an individual (Warren v. District of Columbia).  Since you have no right to police protection, shouldn't you then have the right to the tools necessary to protect yourself? What better tool than a firearm? Isn't it a little sick to deny people the right to police protection, then disarm them with gun control laws so they have no option to protect themselves?

According to the following link (http://www.nraila.org//Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=18):  • More RTC, less crime. Violent crime rates in 2004-2005 were lower than anytime since 1976.1 (Crime victim surveys indicate that violent crime is at a 31-year low.2) Since 1991, 23 states have adopted RTC, the number of privately-owned guns has risen by nearly 70 million,3 and violent crime is down 38%. In 2005 RTC states had lower violent crime rates, on average, compared to the rest of the country (total violent crime by 22%; murder, 30%; robbery, 46%; and aggravated assault, 12%) and included the seven states with the lowest total violent crime rates, and 11 of the 12 states with the lowest murder rates.4

• RTC and crime trends. Studying crime trends in every county in the U.S., John Lott and David Mustard found, “allowing citizens to carry concealed weapons deters violent crimes and it appears to produce no increase in accidental deaths. If those states which did not have Right to Carry concealed gun provisions had adopted them in 1992, approximately 1,570 murders; 4,177 rapes; and over 60,000 aggravated assaults would have been avoided yearly....[W]hen state concealed handgun laws went into effect in a county, murders fell by 8.5 percent, and rapes and aggravated assaults fell by 5 and 7 percent.”5

So the Right to Carry (RTC) is an essential crime-fighting tool, and it also is a basic human right.  Citizens in the few states that infringe upon the right to carry should write their representatives and demand that their Second Amendment rights be upheld. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgNUqtkXTQ8

Fortunately, there are groups out there that actively work toward the expansion and protection of these rights through lobbying and e-mail writing campaigns. 
http://www.gunowners.org/
http://www.gunownersca.com/
http://www.nra.org/
http://www.calnra.com/

Name: RedCream 2007-10-14 14:07

Every state is covered by the Second Amendment, and in addition, every state (or the vast majority of states) have repeated the SA in their own state constitutions.  RTC is extraneous.  You already have the right to keep and bear arms!

Name: RedCream 2007-10-14 16:09

I'm so hard.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-15 4:59

>>2
But prior to the passage of RTC, in many of these states, if you were caught carrying a concealed pistol or whatever for personal defense, you would no doubt be thrown in jail - very possibly for a long time.  Indeed, there are still a handful of states (the more left-wing states) where this is still more or less the case.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-15 5:29

>>2
And yeah, many courts have disagreed with the notion that 'the right to keep and bear arms' precludes restrictions on carrying arms in public. 

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-15 13:30

>>5
All the more reason we need more conservative judges.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-16 4:01

I don't think the answer to crime and violence is MORE guns.  It is time Americans realize they are citizens of a global community just like everyone else, as have many of the countries in europe, and adopt sensible restrictions on weapons ownership.

Name: RedCream 2007-10-16 4:05

>>7
Restrictions never work in America.  What America needs is the insistence on TRAINING that is associated with KEEPING and BEARING.  Of course, if the state trains a citizen in the storage, maintenance and use of his firearm, then the Libfags will lose their fucking minds since that will imply that people have the right to keep and bear arms in the first place!

The gun control agenda is not about sensible use of firearms.  The agenda is about BANNING GUNS.  Well, you can't Constitutionally ban guns in America.  Change the US Constitution or stop being so fucking stupid!

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-18 6:15

I think, based on the facts, we should, if anything, ENCOURAGE private gun ownership.  I subscribe to the notion that more guns = less crime, provided those who own the guns are the responsible element of society.  Coupled with background checks, I think we should encourage gun ownership for society.  Maybe a good way to start would be to refund a portion of the purchase price of a firearm for every individual - we could have a militia type system (but without national service requirements) like the Swiss have.  This would lower crime, benefit our national security, and piss off libfags.  :)

Name: uanime5 2007-10-18 11:28

>>1
Correlation does not imply causation. Are their any reputable studies showing why the RTC laws would have any effect on crime.

Also for a valid comparison you should state the levels of violent  crime, murder, robbery, and aggravated assault, in both RTC and non-RTC states. Stating how much lower one is mean to be than the other is very misleading.

>>8
It's up to the courts to decide what arms the people have a right to bear. If the Supreme Court said that the second ammendment did not apply to flamethrowers, tanks, RPGs, or machine guns then you could ban these weapons without changing the Constitution because these weapons are not constitutionally protected.

>>9
Switzerland has a 'militia system' (technically conscription) because they have no standing army, so you're just proposing making guns cheaper not copying the Swiss system. Also Switzerland has one of the highest gun crime rate in Europe because all the militia keep their weapons after training.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-18 12:00

>>10
That is flat out not true.  Switzerland actually has not only one of hte lowest rates of crime in EUROPE, it has one of the lowest crime rates IN THE WORLD. 

"That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of our freedom. It is our job to see that it stays there."  

 - George Orwell (from his book "1984")

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-18 12:59

>>10
Correlation does not imply causation, but we're not dumbass sociology students wit hazy head in the clouds abstract thinking in the process of ejaculating over das kapital so we should also be aware that correlation implies that it is a factor. You're not a fa.. socialist, are you?

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-18 14:43

>>1
yup alaska is safe because of all the guns, not because there is noone there

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-18 16:19

>>13
THERE ARE PEOPLE IN ALASKA, ALASKA IS LIKE TEXAS IT'S MORE AMERICAN THAN ALL THE OTHER STATES.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-24 22:05

>>14
Seconded.  Alaska kicks ass. 

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