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Why Do Europeans Hate America?

Name: Warning: Long ass post. 2007-10-06 5:40

"Democracy may, after all, turn out to have been a historical accident, a brief parenthesis that is closing before our eyes." With those words, French philosopher Jean-Francois Revel sounded an alarm as the ramparts of democratic conviction were under attack by the political left. Revel, one of the most important conservative thinkers in France, saw European intellectuals and the political left in America undermining the very foundations of democracy.

"Democracy tends to ignore, even deny, threats to its existence because it loathes doing what is needed to counter them," explained Revel. "It awakens only when the danger becomes deadly, imminent, evident. By then, either there is too little time left for it to save itself, or the price of survival has become crushingly high."

To any insightful observer of the European scene in the early 1980s, Revel's analysis was prophetic. Leftist intellectuals were pointing to the United States as the source of all oppression in the world, while praising the Soviet Union as the liberator of human kind. In How Democracies Perish, Revel aimed his sights at the self-destructive hypocrisies of liberal thought. As he knew, the very intellectuals who should have been supporting the United States were instead hoping for its downfall. "What we end up with in what is conventionally called Western society is a topsy-turvy situation in which those seeking to destroy democracy appear to be fighting for legitimate aims, while its defenders are pictured as repressive reactionaries."

As Revel lamented, at times the democracies seemed to find strange comfort in calls for their own destruction. As he observed, "Democratic civilization is the first in history to blame itself because another is power is working to destroy it." Were democracies doomed to self-destruct?

Jean-Francois Revel is well known as a shining light of reason in the French academy. Long a columnist, editor, and director of L'Express, Revel is also the author of a multi-volume history of philosophy. He sprang to Western attention with the publication of his controversial book, Without Marx or Jesus. Revel's later volumes would include The Totalitarian Temptation and Democracy Against Itself.

Throughout his career, Revel has been known as a stalwart defender of democracy. He does not take this matter lightly, for he understands all too well that the basic structure of government determines the achievement or loss of human freedom within a society. In Democracy Against Itself, Revel argued that "every society which has worked more or less well, which achieved any sort of viability, and which produced civilizations men found tolerable, have been--or are--societies that in some sense are democratic."

Of course, the alarm sounded by Revel in How Democracies Perish was overtaken by history with the fall of the Soviet Union and the remarkable events of 1989 and 1990. As Revel later reflected, the good news revealed in the fall of the Soviet Union was the fact that its internal weaknesses were even greater than the self-hatred of the secular left in Western democracies.

Now, twenty years after How Democracies Perish, Revel looks to the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 terrorists attacks and asks the fundamental question: Why do so many Europeans hate America?

This is not a question of merely academic interest. Revel senses that something fundamental is revealed in the way the European Left has responded to America's status as the world's only super power.

Revel is blunt. The ascendancy of the United States, set over against the relative decline of Europe, has given birth to an intense hatred in some European corridors. Most particularly, Revel locates the root of this poisonous anti-Americanism in France. As he comments, "It is in France that this loss--real or imaginary--of great-power status engenders the most bitterness."

The virulent anti-Americanism that erupted on the streets of Europe in the aftermath of America's military action in Afghanistan and Iraq did not emerge from a vacuum. Revel's interest in anti-Americanism is rooted in his own experience as an French intellectual who actually visited the United States. When Revel first visited America in 1969, he discovered a land very different from what he expected. Having planned to write a book on the problems of the United States, Revel instead wrote a treatise criticizing the irrational anti-Americanism of the European Left. Now, he has done it again--and this new book may be even more important.

In Anti-Americanism, just released by Encounter Books, Revel considers this toxic pattern of European hatred towards the United States. He identifies one core issue as a sense of European loss. Revel cites Hubert Vedrine, the French minister of foreign affairs, who rejected the word "superpower", and instead substituted a term of his own invention: "hyperpower."

As Revel notes, since the Greek prefix "hyper" has exactly the same meaning as the Latin "super," Mr. Vedrine is merely seeking to score political capital in his own nation and in the larger European neighborhood. As Vedrine stated, "We cannot except a politically unipolar and culturally homogenized world, any more than the unilateralism of the single hyperpower." Exactly what Mr. Vedrine meant by this, no one seems to know. Nevertheless, it is an example of French hyperventilation posing as foreign policy.

Revel sees the problem as much worse than hyperbole. If America is dominant, Revel asks, then why is this so? He will not allow Europeans off the hook. "Europeans in particular should force themselves to examine how they have contributed to that preponderance. It was they, after all, who made the twenty century the darkest in history; it was they who brought about the two unprecedented cataclysms of the World Wars; and it was they who invented and put into place the two most criminal regimes ever inflicted on the human race--pinnacles of evil and imbecility achieved in a space of less than thirty years."

The United States is far from perfect, Revel acknowledges. Nevertheless, he suggests that any criticisms should be directed at real problems, and should not take the form of irrational rantings.

According to Revel, the European Left enjoys its fantasy of America as "the worst society that ever was." According to this cartoon of reality, America is a society that is entirely under the control of money-grubbing plutocrats. Everything is for sale and the entire culture has been commodified. The problem is not just George W. Bush, for the European Left is convinced that every recent American president "has been in the pockets of the oil companies, the military-industrial complex, the agricultural lobby or the financial manipulators of Wall Street." But, in the French view, George W. Bush is just the worst of the lot--at least as yet.

The European Left is also convinced that America is primarily marked by poverty. As Revel describes the Leftist fantasy: "Hordes of famished indigents are everywhere, while luxurious chauffeured limousines with darkened windows glide through the urban wilderness." These same thinkers are convinced that violence reigns throughout the United States, and that gunshots commonly ring through even the most peaceable neighborhoods. As Revel acknowledges, European rants about America's lax gun laws would have more credibility if the same weapons were not easily available for purchase through the black market in virtually every European city.

If this picture of America is true, the pattern of immigration from Europe to the United States throughout the twentieth century was absolutely irrational. "If the picture of American society drawn everyday by the European press is accurate, then we must believe that those tens of millions of immigrants from all parts of the world, and especially those who came from Europe between 1850 and 1924, were all deluded fools. Otherwise, why did they insist on staying in the American capitalist jungle with all its evils and not return to the lands of peace, plenty, and liberty they came from? Lost in a hellish cultural wasteland, why at least didn't they write to their families and relations basking in the paradises of Ukraine, Calabria and Greece warning them not to come to America?" Clearly, Revel does not mince words.

This virulent anti-Americanism is not a matter of mere sociological interest. As Revel understands, this explains why the United Nations Security Council has become so ineffectual and why the United States has been forced to act unilaterally. As he explains, "Europeans' voluntary blindness with regard to these radical changes renders any American attempts at dialogue fruitless; as a result, America has no other option but to make unilateral decisions. How can you discuss a problem with people who deny its very existence?"

Jean-Francois Revel is a brave man who has lived through some of the most tumultuous decades of human history. Though a realist, he is not without hope. He has sounded the alarm more than once, only to have the Left ignore his cries. Anti-Americanism is Revel's latest attempt to call the trendsetting intellectuals of Europe back to sanity. Good luck, Professor Revel. This is no easy task.

Revel's prescient warning to the European Left should also serve to educate thoughtful Americans about the challenge we face in Europe, which may be as daunting a challenge as that posed by Islamic terrorism. Something sick lies at the heart of Western civilization. The democracies that will surely perish will be those who cannot tell the difference between good and evil, survival and ruin, freedom and tyranny. Or, perhaps more to the point, the greatest danger faced by democracy are those who deny that there is any real difference after all.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-06 7:39

The average European hates the stereotype of the fat, christian, arrogant, loud and stupid American. Most don't like America's belligerent foreign policy. I think leftists just loathe anything that's powerful.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-06 8:36

I think it is more resentment than anything. They're pissed because of the decline of their nations. That and they have fucked the world up more times, and even worse than America has.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-06 8:43

Everyone's pretty much just jealous of America since they control the capitalist market and the free western world.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-06 8:47

>>4
for how long though? It is very possible that America will have an Economic collapse in the near future. Although it is just as possible that America will avoid said collapse until the next elections.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-06 15:39

>>4
since they control [...] the free western world


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Name: Anonymous 2007-10-06 18:38

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America...
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Coming again, to save the mother fucking day yeah,
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Freedom is the only way yeah,
EUROFAG your game is through cause now you have to answer to,
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So lick my butt, and suck on my balls,
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What you going to do when we come for you now,
it’s the dream that we all share; it’s the hope for tomorrow

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Wal-Mart, FUCK YEAH!
The Gap, FUCK YEAH!
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NFL, FUCK, YEAH!
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Books (...)

Name: RedCream 2007-10-06 18:40

Hating America from the standpoint of Europe is only sensible.  From that viewpoint, America represents a society gone completely insane with individualism trumping all social concerns.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-06 19:07

I dislike the apparent anti-intellectualism, greed, fear and patriotism that popular culture in the US promotes. If someone in my country started parroting like that, I'd be sorely tempted to hit them. Okay, fine, that's America's problem, not mine...

...except that it doesn't help that the US likes to shove my country around every chance it gets. No, I don't want my laws to be harmonized with the US; America's legal and political system is utterly fucked. No, I don't want America meddling in our elections either, but it does quite blatantly.

Forcing that stupidity on me bothers me a lot; the politicians here bend over like little bitches before the mighty onslaught of political, media and corporate clout. But there's more! It's the world economy that scares me, because...

...like >>4 points out, once you look at what is supporting the US dollar, you realize nothing is. It's a petrodollar. A mechanism for exporting inflation. A mechanism that other countries have propped up, buying up the debt. A mechanism that will break, and then just watch the shit fly.

And we'll all be caught in the fallout. Gee, thanks.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-06 19:58

>>1
As Revel acknowledges, European rants about America's lax gun laws would have more credibility if the same weapons were not easily available for purchase through the black market in virtually every European city.

1) Guns in America are more readily available than they are in European black markets (American guns shops are easier to find that black market gun dealers).
2) Guns in America are available in greater numbers than they are in European black markets (America probably has more legitimate guns than the whole of the European black market).
3) There is a greater variety of guns available in America than European black markets (no criminal in Europe will buy anything larger than a hand gun).

Name: RedCream 2007-10-06 20:53

>>9
If someone in my country started parroting like that, I'd be sorely tempted to hit them.

Is it legal to assault people in your country for merely not liking their expression?  Do tell!

[T]he politicians here bend over like little bitches before the mighty onslaught of political, media and corporate clout.

You mean, the politicians that YOU and YOUR countrymen voted for?

It appears that Americans are exploiting a weakness in your nation and culture.  Certainly that exploitation is a problem.  However, the problem more controllable on your end is the weakness element itself.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-06 22:28

>>11

oh please redcream, you're such a tart.


>>1
the "european left" and their "leftist" cohorts of communist gangster god followers probably dislike america because they disagree with america's policies. Of course mr. Revel is correct that we should all just ignore our disagreements and decide that whatever the US does it the right thing, because then we all get along, no?

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-06 22:32

>>12

What you're suggesting does not make sense.

For you, it's either we forget our grievances or that the Europeans themselves extol Marxism and Leftism above rational policies of The United States and they are wrong, or that we ourselves are in fact doing the right thing and they should respect our sovereignty.

I guess, to some limited extent you're correct, however what you're suggesting seems contradictory.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-06 23:21

>>12
I think what Mr. Revel is saying is that alot of Europes hatred for the U.S. is just plain irrational. One European starts to speak out against America in an intelligent, logical manner. Then boom, the entire country-side is swarmed in people screaming "FUCK AMERICA" for no reason other than to be doing it. Look at that North Korean music video that was bashing America because it was 'holding' them down, and swarming with insults because America commited 'atrocities' against them in the Korean War. European, and especially Asian hatred of the U.S. is just a 'fad' instead of actually complaints. Europe has risen, fallen, and fucked up this world more times, and in worse ways than America has yet to ever do. Yet, America does not hate nor harbor a grudge against Europe.

In my opinion, Europeans, and no offense by this, just need to grow the fuck up.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-06 23:35

In reality people, everyone is at fault. America is at fault for electing a tyrannical douchebag, and Europeans and such are at fault for electing weakling pansies. We're all idiots, so lets be friends.

Name: McPeePants 2007-10-06 23:47

I believe that America should be splitup int smaller regions that are governed by a regional government and regulated by the current government. I believe it would work better than what is in place now.

Name: 9 2007-10-07 1:50

Is it legal to assault people in your country for merely not liking their expression?
Oh man... You must have been the kid at school who always laughed five seconds after everyone else.

You mean, the politicians that YOU and YOUR countrymen voted for?
Oh, look! It's Captain Obvious!

It appears that Americans are exploiting a weakness in your nation and culture.
My god, this man is Sherlock Holmes!

Certainly that exploitation is a problem.
Such profound insight!

However, the problem more controllable on your end is the weakness element itself.
Yeah, which is why I dislike my politicians too. What, is this the False Dichotomy of the Day?

What the fuck, man, are you really this stupid...?

Name: RedCream 2007-10-07 1:58

>>17
Then you had better get crackin' on fixin' your nation's troubles, laughing boy!  You have a much better chance at fixing an internal problem then stopping the American reaction that preys upon it.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-07 2:32

Then you had better get crackin' on fixin' your nation's troubles, laughing boy!
The Return of Captain Obvious

You have a much better chance at fixing an internal problem then stopping the American reaction that preys upon it.
Captain Obvious part III

Of course, the American reaction really doesn't concern me much any more; as I said, there's nothing there. America's status is living on borrowed time unless something changes there, which I just don't see happening.

However, the private interests that caused this state of affairs will move somewhere more amenable when the the creditors finally come knockin', so the problem will remain.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-07 7:36

I can tell you now that the US has lost support in more places than just Europe. Australia, and many other countries no longer trusts the US and may turn to the EU, China or Japan (perhaps Russia?) for leadership. The US will have to turn a lot around in less than 10 years or their loss of face will occur. I firmly believe that it is only a matter of time, probably not long, before the US is eclipsed as a diplomatically trusted country.

I think part of the reason Europe hates the US is because of the recent (80s onward) of the US right. Prior to that, (western) Europe seems to have mostly stood in favour of the US. This is hardly surprising, since Europe is the most politically progressive area in the world, by far.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-07 8:34

>>20
Actually the truth is no one gives a shit.

Name: WWW.TEAMKORUPT.COM 2007-10-07 9:21

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-07 9:34

Bullshit (often bowdlerized to BS), also Bullcrap, is a common English expletive. It can also be shortened to just "Bull".

Most commonly, it describes incorrect, misleading, false language and statements. Literally, it describes the feces of a bull. As with many expletives, it can be used as an interjection (or in many other parts of speech) and can carry a wide variety of meanings.

Bullshitting is usually when one makes statements that are false, or made-up. Usually people describe other people's action of making a lot of statements as bullshitting in arguments, when one is making up rules or making examples that are not anything to do with what they are discussing or when one is making statements by using examples that need different rules to be applied, so this person is bullshitting

As it contains the word "shit", the term is sometimes considered foul language, hence the use of the euphemistic abbreviations "bull" and "BS". Nonetheless, the term is prevalent in American English and, as with many words, the term is used in a variety of countries, some dating back to approximately the same era World War I. In British English, bollocks is a comparable expletive, although bullshit is now a commonly used expletive in British English also.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-07 9:34

Bullshit (often bowdlerized to BS), also Bullcrap, is a common English expletive. It can also be shortened to just "Bull".

Most commonly, it describes incorrect, misleading, false language and statements. Literally, it describes the feces of a bull. As with many expletives, it can be used as an interjection (or in many other parts of speech) and can carry a wide variety of meanings.

Bullshitting is usually when one makes statements that are false, or made-up. Usually people describe other people's action of making a lot of statements as bullshitting in arguments, when one is making up rules or making examples that are not anything to do with what they are discussing or when one is making statements by using examples that need different rules to be applied, so this person is bullshitting

As it contains the word "shit", the term is sometimes considered foul language, hence the use of the euphemistic abbreviations "bull" and "BS". Nonetheless, the term is prevalent in American English and, as with many words, the term is used in a variety of countries, some dating back to approximately the same era World War I. In British English, bollocks is a comparable expletive, although bullshit is now a commonly used expletive in British English also.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-07 9:35

Bullshit (often bowdlerized to BS), also Bullcrap, is a common English expletive. It can also be shortened to just "Bull".

Most commonly, it describes incorrect, misleading, false language and statements. Literally, it describes the feces of a bull. As with many expletives, it can be used as an interjection (or in many other parts of speech) and can carry a wide variety of meanings.

Bullshitting is usually when one makes statements that are false, or made-up. Usually people describe other people's action of making a lot of statements as bullshitting in arguments, when one is making up rules or making examples that are not anything to do with what they are discussing or when one is making statements by using examples that need different rules to be applied, so this person is bullshitting

As it contains the word "shit", the term is sometimes considered foul language, hence the use of the euphemistic abbreviations "bull" and "BS". Nonetheless, the term is prevalent in American English and, as with many words, the term is used in a variety of countries, some dating back to approximately the same era World War I. In British English, bollocks is a comparable expletive, although bullshit is now a commonly used expletive in British English also.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-07 9:35

Bullshit (often bowdlerized to BS), also Bullcrap, is a common English expletive. It can also be shortened to just "Bull".

Most commonly, it describes incorrect, misleading, false language and statements. Literally, it describes the feces of a bull. As with many expletives, it can be used as an interjection (or in many other parts of speech) and can carry a wide variety of meanings.

Bullshitting is usually when one makes statements that are false, or made-up. Usually people describe other people's action of making a lot of statements as bullshitting in arguments, when one is making up rules or making examples that are not anything to do with what they are discussing or when one is making statements by using examples that need different rules to be applied, so this person is bullshitting

As it contains the word "shit", the term is sometimes considered foul language, hence the use of the euphemistic abbreviations "bull" and "BS". Nonetheless, the term is prevalent in American English and, as with many words, the term is used in a variety of countries, some dating back to approximately the same era World War I. In British English, bollocks is a comparable expletive, although bullshit is now a commonly used expletive in British English also.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-07 9:35

Bullshit (often bowdlerized to BS), also Bullcrap, is a common English expletive. It can also be shortened to just "Bull".

Most commonly, it describes incorrect, misleading, false language and statements. Literally, it describes the feces of a bull. As with many expletives, it can be used as an interjection (or in many other parts of speech) and can carry a wide variety of meanings.

Bullshitting is usually when one makes statements that are false, or made-up. Usually people describe other people's action of making a lot of statements as bullshitting in arguments, when one is making up rules or making examples that are not anything to do with what they are discussing or when one is making statements by using examples that need different rules to be applied, so this person is bullshitting

As it contains the word "shit", the term is sometimes considered foul language, hence the use of the euphemistic abbreviations "bull" and "BS". Nonetheless, the term is prevalent in American English and, as with many words, the term is used in a variety of countries, some dating back to approximately the same era World War I. In British English, bollocks is a comparable expletive, although bullshit is now a commonly used expletive in British English also.

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