Spic thread

I'm an American with Mexican heritage.  My family never emigrated to the US, instead the US came to us during the Mexican American war.  I'm patriotic, educated and proud to say both my grandparents fought in WWII.  In my family there are doctors, scientists and lawyers.  I speak English and Spanish and I currently attend a top 15 university.

I believe phrenology is a pseudo-science I fully discard the notion that intelligence is somehow tied to genetics.  The authors of The Bell Curve went through contortions to prop that argument up and it can be critically refuted on any number of points, not the least of which the ridiculous notion that there can be a crude numerical representation of intelligence.  And if you must know, I scored in the 99th percentile on the SATs.

So after having said all this, I ask why is it that the stormfront faggos continue to set true meritocracy aside and focus on the crudest of measurements in defining the superiority of certain races?  IQ tests?  Please, who gives a shit if someone in the Congo doesn't want to finish the wavy lined pattern test.  As far as culture, it seems foolish to make any definite pronouncements with only the barest of impressions that we have of human history.  Technology changes in the blink of an eye, if a modern person could be transported back 150 years ago, they would scoff at the "mighty" British empire.

So why do the storm faggos think they're superior.  Crime?  It's much lower today than it was 150 years ago in Europe.  Appearance?  It's subjective and the truth is most white women are plain-janes just like any other race.  Heritage?  It's a meaningless concept, especially if your just a fat neckbeard not pulling your weight.  Culture?  lol.

The best I can tell, the only reason for people to be racist is that they've set up a comfort zone that they're unwilling to leave.  It's a passive agressive form a xenophobia.  They're like old men but still in their 20s.

Because they're doucheholes?

Why don't you write a letter to Charles Murray, he has answers for everything.

Once I read a Jewish Issue Magazine and tons of Jews proded him with objections to his theory of Jewish Intelligence and he had a sufficient answer to each of their objections.

You're probably less Mestizo than what is usual that's for sure.

>>3 "You're probably less Mestizo than what is usual that's for sure."

why don't you compliment my haircut and say how clean i look you fucking faggot

>>1
It's not as simple as that. You can take the extremist view, feel threatenned by the successes and glories of other civilisations and make a fool of yourself by desperately attempting to mock them. Or you can seek the truth in which case please be open to me argument.

Phrenology has nothing to do with genetics. At least the Bell Curve took into account the effect of environment on intelligence, books like "Guns, Germs and Steel" purposely avoided many of the facts which show how intelligence is tied to certain genes and the idea that some cultures are better at doing things than others which liberals seem to think alludes to ideas of superiority. If I were writing "Guns, Germs and Steel" I would at least mention how many civilisations rivalled and exceeded europe's at the time of the rennaissance and could have achieved the same things with greater ease, I would also state that I am aware that genes do play a role in a person's characteristics including intelligence, but that the differences are slight and mutuations within races often have greater effects than any difference between races that exist. IQ tests do give an indications of intelligence, as long as other factors are taken into account such as how much the person has been exposed to such tests it is accurate give or take 10 points. Also just a point, a person going back 150 years would scoff at all other civilisations aswell.

As for meritocracy and xenophobia your opinion is correct. Meritocracy is more effective, you can indoctrinate some black ghetto boy to forget where he came from so he can concentrate on where he's going by informing him that there is more to the world than going "ooooooooh oooooh I'm so poor, my lifes so fucked oooooohh yeah yeaaahh".

>>1
Gee, for someone so damn "smart" you sure are having a hard time realizing that white racists are just redneck country bumpkins who themselves are dumber than hell, and that only try to direct the following beligerence caused by their obvious insecurities into trying to bring others down while doing nothing to better the situations of their own and existance/their people/humanity as a whole.

At least you've helped reaffirm the facts that IQ tests, class rankings, and the evaluations of those employed by the education ministry mean nothing but shit, good day failure, I hope you suffer during the revolution.

>>1
>>6
ur both dumb
bitches don't know about my politics

>>1
You're probably a high-caste Mexican whose ancestors didn't intermarry much with the native Indian populous. In countries where race is mixed, like Argentina, the lighter skinned people with the largest amount of European heritage always rise to the top. However, from reading your post you are certainly no intellectual, and bragging about your supposed intelligence won't win a debate. At best it might convince a foolish spectator like >>6 that you know what you're talking about.

I have to agree with you about IQ tests; they really don't tell the whole picture. For example, Asians score higher than Whites on the tests but their contributions to the advancement of society (science, arts, philosophy, literature, etc.) are very weak. Similarly, you score in the 99th percentile and can't even put a logical argument together. I think creative genius is a quality which is a lot harder to measure. You "discard" (read: deny) the notion that intelligence is somehow tied to genetics, but no offer no evidence to back this up. This sounds a lot worse than Murray and Herrnstein's "pseudo-scientific" methods, more like blind faith. Scholars in the field of IQ testing have proven about 75% of IQ test score differences to be hereditary (down to genetics). Why, also, do you cite your high SAT score (which is a ranking of people in a liner order of ability) to try and add credibility to your argument, but then disregard IQ because it measures people in a linear order? No scholar that works with IQ tests claim that they are infallible; they are however the best model we have for trying to measure the human invented concept of "intelligence". They are an incredibly accurate predictor of success (more than socioeconomic status - proven in The Bell Curve) and correlate strongly with all things we would expect "intelligence" to.

Your point about "going back in history and laughing at the British Empire" is so pathetic and flawed; I don't even know where to start. I'll just leave you try and figure out why it's such a terrible argument. As for appearance, there are studies that have shown even black children are more attracted to the looks of white children, but I accept it's subjective and some people might actually choose 100% pure dark skinned Africans over white women or racially mixed blacks. Consider also that the rate of black on white rape is about a HUNDRED times higher than the rate of white on black rape.

Finally, you say heritage doesn't matter, but also claim to be a proud American and seem to be proud of the professions of your family? You say "lol" at White culture, but it was your family who obviously wanted to be part of our culture since you moved to America. You know Whites built America right? Capitalism, the industrial revolution, technology, the American constitution, democracy, universities, and just about fucking everything else is White culture. Do you think having a liking for tacos constitutes a culture? That's nothing more than a trivial food preference; Whites are the masters of culture.

It's not even up for debate the fact that Whites have been the most successful people on the planet, despite being heavily outnumbered by other races on the planet. Of course individuals from other groups can do well, like your family (whom I commend for being patriots, by the way), but they don't represent the overall picture. It's just that some Whites don't want to see the countries that they built and live in get turned into third world gang warzones (like what has happened to LA, Detroit, Washington), or see their own people pushed out of jobs because of Affirmative Action. Some people just want to live around other Whites, that's it. I, myself have appreciation for some people of other races and countries, but I want to remain separate and around my own people if possible.

>>8

You don't understand how much you've assured me that reason still exists despite rampant aberrations of thought via liberalism gone awry.

>>8
I like tacos. Tacotaco tacotaco tacotaco burrito! Yeah!

>>10

La Raza holmes, but I'm a smart person ok?

>>11
I do not understand.

>>8
The fucking spic OP is going to call you a racist for disagreeing with him.

So no reply from this spic? Guess he knows he got owned.

He got deported ROFL.

>>8
You know, there's no argument in your post.  If you want to try an interesting experiment, you might try to find something in there beyond assertions.  I've asked very simply, other than the crudest measuring devices, what do you have to go by to assert than a member of a race in inherently superior to another?

>>14
>>15

No I'm still here.  It's just I am actually have responsiblilites and can't post wily nilly like you losers.   I haven't read anything the remotely justifies blanket discrimination against non whites other than a pathetic appeal to the past. 

If you want to self segregate, fine.  But don't start proselytizing racial superiority with nothing more than IQ tests and inner city crime rates.

I'll post more late when I actually have time.

>>13

I haven't accused anyone of being racist.  It's the mark of a small mind when you feel the need to paint other within the narrow box of your own preconceptions.  I know it's easy and doesn't require you to consider a world beyond your comfort zone.  That's understandable.  I wouldn't want you to be scared by anything more complicated than your retarded faggot mind can handle.

>>16
Every point you made in your essay was destroyed in >>8 and you still say "there's no argument in your post". Talk about denial. Come with refutations to the points made or GTFO. Nobody advocated "superiority" or "blanket discrimination" either, so try harder at making up strawmen.

I do sympathize with you being busy though; it must take a lot of work for you to keep up with those naturally talented Whites and Jews at University. The Whites that founded your university didn't do so with a population of average IQ 89 in mind, so any Hispanic there is doing well. Work harder and maybe you can become my doctor.

Let's look at the premises and conclusions in >>8 one by one...

| Scholars in the field of IQ testing have proven about 75% of IQ test score differences to be hereditary (down to genetics).

This is utterly laughable, especially because you don't cite any names or studies.  Even Herrnstein and Murray acknowledge that you can't prejudge any one black person because so many blacks score higher than the average white IQ score. Not too mention the fact that we both agree on - that intelligence is too complicated to rank in numerical form.  I would offer the reasonable counter premise that nutrition in the critical period of infancy is more of a determinant to someone's adult intelligence than genetics.  I would like to see how smart the average European would be if they ate nothing but bread during their childhood.

| Why, also, do you cite your high SAT score...
 
I cited my SAT score because I knew one of you faggots would try to use it to attack me.

| Your point about "going back in history and laughing at the British Empire" is so pathetic and flawed; I don't even know where to start. I'll just leave you try and figure out why it's such a terrible argument.

You're right.  Considering a global empire with eggshell thin stability that ultimately fell apart because of its own flaws is so pathetic and flawed. 

|Consider also that the rate of black on white rape is about a HUNDRED times higher than the rate of white on black rape.

You're citing the wrong statistic.  This is typoical of the circular reasoning that you morons spit out: "White people like white people because white people like white people."  If you're trying to make a point, you need to compare the rate of black on white rape with black on black rape.  As it turns out, DOJ statistics show black women are three times as likely to raped by black men than white women are. 

| You say "lol" at White culture, but it was your family who obviously wanted to be part of our culture since you moved to America.

My family didn't move to America.  As I pointed out in the OP, America came to us during western expansionism in the 1800s.  My ancestors never left their homes.

| Capitalism, the industrial revolution, technology, the American constitution, democracy, universities, and just about fucking everything else is White culture.

These types of bold assertions are so typical of the eurocentrism you faggots proudly embody.  Do you really think capitalism needed to be discovered by Adam Smith?  It's existed in some form across every culture since the invention of agriculture.  The fucking illegals coming across embody capitalism in its purest form.  Democracy isn't a Greek invention.  As for "just about fucking everything else," I won't try to denigrate the great discoveries and inventions made by whites.  But I will point out that, like Adam Smith, whites are often just as guilty of stealing inventions as other races.  Newton?  Please, the Indian mathematician Bhaskara discovered calculus in the 12th century. 

| It's not even up for debate the fact that Whites have been the most successful people on the planet, despite being heavily outnumbered by other races on the planet.

What's the point of trying to prop us people of their flimsy technology in the 1800s if all it led to was conflict.  WWI and WWII serve as testimony to the failure of modern Europe.  Look at a fucking map - all those divisions didn't just happen.  You're glossing over a lot of stuff.  Besides, I'm pretty sure the Chinese have been the most successful people on the planet.

| Some people just want to live around other Whites, that's it. I, myself have appreciation for some people of other races and countries, but I want to remain separate and around my own people if possible.

I actually have no problem with this.  It's your right to self segregate and wall yourself off if you so choose.  But that doesn't let you make purile assertions based on nothing but your own unease.

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>>18
Don't know how the parts of your post, so this might seem a little disjointed.

Hereditability of IQ is not even contraversial; it's a fact, only the ratio is disputed. "The Minnesota Study of Twins Reared Apart, a multiyear study of 100 sets of reared-apart twins which was started in 1979, concluded that about 70% of the variance in IQ was found to be associated with genetic variation." Turkheimer has shown the percentage varies to some degree with socioeconomic status, and can reach over 90%. It's true that diet has a negative effect on IQ. It's also true that even though the environmental factor is a significant factor in determining IQ, the difference in black-white environment is not large enough to close the black-white IQ gap by any significant margin.

You seem to have quite a lot of hatred for the British Empire, whose achievements were nothing short of breathtaking for a small Island. What non-White country can even compare in Greatness? You are right, we didn't get defeated but fell apart from within. Quite a recurring meme amongst the greatest.

Kind of you to prove me wrong about black rapes. Now we know that blacks may be disproportionately prone to violent rapes, but at least they rape their own women. What a touching thought.

Yeah, there's the occasional Indian genius, I mean it's the least you can expected from a population of over 1 billion people. There have still probably been more great Greek mathematicians than every other non-White nation combined, and that's just one fucking White country in history. Really, get some perspective. If you want to talk about primitive versions of calculus, Archimedes had invented one in BC. You do know the Indian mathematicians were all influenced by the Greeks (like Archimedes)? Newton's rigorous theories of calculus weren't stolen from anyone, where is the proof of this claim?

Your right, I shouldn't credit Adam Smith with the invention of capitalism, merely for the invention of economics. You are wise to not try and denigrate the great discoveries and inventions of Whites. I didn't even try to list them all because the list would comprise several book volumes. I'm sure you wouldn’t have such problems with Chinese inventions though. They were so great they could fit their greatness on one page amirite?

How exactly is Europe a failure? It’s the richest continent in the world and hasn't been to war with each other in the last 60 years, remember? You also need to distinguish between being more prone to war and simply being better at killing and causing destruction. I can imagine how long Africans would stay peaceful if we gave them tanks and nuclear weapons to kill each other with. They would have obliterated each other by now.

Well at least you recognize our right to self segregate. I think every kind of people should have the right to do so, without being called bigots or accusations of hate. The desire to keep America White and free of third world immigration is a very legitimate principle and is beneficial to all noble citizens, including yourself.

>>18
(Not >>20)
This is utterly laughable, especially because you don't cite any names or studies.
Heritability of IQ? Easy. .8 in adulthood.
# Plomin, R., DeFries, J. C., Craig, I. W., & McGuffin, P. (2003). Behavioral genetics in the postgenomic era. Washington, DC: American Psychological Association.
# Plomin, R., DeFries, J. C., McClearn, G. E., & McGuffin, P. (2001). Behavioral genetics (4th ed.). New York: Worth Publishers.

>>8
Go back to your trailer cracker.

>>20

We're having a somewhat constructive conversation - the usual for 4chan is gb2/mexico/ or random death threats.  And no, I'm not going to call you a bigot or racist.  It adds nothing to the discussion and ignores the fact that you have the right to live how you want to.

But I would like to focus on your central point, which I will quote...

| Well at least you recognize our right to self segregate. I think every kind of people should have the right to do so, without being called bigots or accusations of hate. The desire to keep America White and free of third world immigration is a very legitimate principle and is beneficial to all noble citizens, including yourself.

What I don't understand, and the reason I made this thread in the first place, is how you jump from A (right to self segregate) to B (keep America white).  If you want to raise your children up to only see white people as human, I won't even raise an objection even though I disagree.  If you want to wall off the community, hire security guards, or start a compound in Montana, fine.  It's your right. 

But, you don't get to define the country any more than I do.  It's not logical to make that jump.  I am a fourth generation American.  I'm productive, pay taxes and have voted with every opportunity I've had.  And I'm telling you, there's millions of legal residents just like me.  The country is changing, there's no demographic limit written in the constitution which you seem to admire.  And while I agree that there will be some problems - poverty and an overly Catholic viewpoint - the solution is greater integration, the exact opposite of what you propose.
 
Let me be a little presumptuous and assume that we share some political views.  I think illegal immigration is out of control.  I think the US - Israel relationship makes no sense.  I think US aid to Africa has caused more harm than good.  I even think affirmative action should be dropped in favor of a quota based on socio-economic standards.  But you've already shut the door to the chance of us working on these or even more important issues.  You've chosen to give in to your own petty feelings of  revulsion instead of reasonable collaboration.

What are you trying to accomplish?

While I'm not >>20, I can't but notice your strange debate tactics. You say 'BAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW I'm overwhelmed by racism, but I don't care because you have the right to think whatever you like' (one of the lamest appeal to the masses I've seen) several times just in this post:
the usual for 4chan is gb2/mexico/ or random death threats. [...] you have the right to live how you want to.
only see white people as human, I won't even raise an objection even though I disagree.
Straw man. He never said that.

As for
on your central point
It was your central point, as far as I see.
The best I can tell, the only reason for people to be racist is that they've set up a comfort zone that they're unwilling to leave.  It's a passive agressive form a xenophobia.  They're like old men but still in their 20s.

The country is changing, there's no demographic limit written in the constitution which you seem to admire. 
Sure, sure. But think of the betrayal in 1965 (copypasta):
During debate on the Senate floor, Senator Kennedy, speaking of the effects of the act, said, "...our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually.... Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset...." The act's supporters not only claimed the law would not change America's ethnic makeup, but that such a change was not desirable. However, in the end, this act dramatically changed the face of American society by making it a multicultural, multiethnic nation. Prior to the act, the United States was overwhelmingly composed of whites of European descent (89% in 1965), with the only minority group of significant size being blacks (10%).
And while I agree that there will be some problems - poverty and an overly Catholic viewpoint - the solution is greater integration, the exact opposite of what you propose.
Actually no. Unless you're paying for it yourself. This requires a bloated socialist nanny state which most people shouldn't want to pay for. Not to mention the extremely bad consequences for Whites...
I even think affirmative action should be dropped in favor of a quota based on socio-economic standards.
How about in favour of nothing? You EVEN think institutional racial discrimination against certain people should be dropped? OH WOW.
But you've already shut the door to the chance of us working on these or even more important issues.  You've chosen to give in to your own petty feelings of  revulsion instead of reasonable collaboration.
Not as far as I see. That's just part of your lame debate tactics. Care to point out where?

>>23

If you think the system is unjust, leave it and opt for an alternative system.

If you're as intelligent as you forcefully try to display yourself as, then take this woe-is-us rhetoric to Mexico where you can install yourself in one of their corrupt cabinets and live La Raza by such a virtuous life in Central American politics we see so often in the Banana Republics.

>>25

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

>>26

But if it's as ingrained and so much institutional racism exists then it is not a false dilemma.

False  dichotomies are true in so far as their interpretation.

Mustard and Ketchup as choices may be false dichotomies depending on what it is they're going on or what is available.

Granted, change doesn't come easy in American politics, what I offered was not a false dichotomy.

>>27

It's not ingrained moron.  I'm fully aware that you stormfronter faggots are a distinct minority.

>>28

Then it's not a false dichotomy, dishwasher.

>>29

shut the fuck you.  at least the other guy wasn't a moron

>>30

dishwasher

Yes, I agree.
I tend to the argument that people are equal, but 'cultures' are not. There's something about the Western emphasis on individuality and education (etc... ) that has propelled whites far further than their black and most asian counterparts. It allows for maximum productivity - effectively Europe's ~500 million highly proficient and industrious workers outdo China and India's 2 billion. There must be something about the European approach that has led them to be so successful.
You're certainly right, though. Appearances count. I'm a great man, but I usually scare people off. I'm black (most of my ancestors have been white, though).

>>32
At the moment those 2 billion workers are imitating Europe's, even if they are only 50% as efficient as european workers they will still have twice as much productivity.

has >>20 responded?

>>34
I wasn’t planning on replying, since it seems the factual debate is over. All >>23 has left is a moral argument—-and one he’s using against a strawman. He’s employing the “if you can’t debate then defame” tactic and making up things I didn’t say.

But to >>23, why do you think self-segregating is a great quantum leap from keeping America White? Do you think if we are segregated we are free from the burden of third world populations in our countries? Who do you think pays for illegals’ healthcare and benefits? How many more cities should Whites have to flee because they have become run down shitholes?

Quotas on socioeconomics status are a terrible idea, just like Affirmative Action. Why screw people out of jobs who are more suited to them with better qualifications? AA policies cost the US economy hundreds of billions of dollars per year (according to Forbes magazine). I believe in meritocracy, not forced equality.

You say “integration is the answer,” but there’s only so far we can integrate third world populations into our society. The majority of blacks, Hispanics and Muslims lack the IQs to compete in education and the job market. They become an uncivilized underclass -- prone to crime, drugs and destroying society. Most of them don’t even try to fit in and become Americans. Mexicans cross the border waving the Mexican flag and want to go to schools that teach in Spanish. In contrast to the White Europeans who crossed the Atlantic in the 1900s because they believed in American values and wanted to become Americans. Now they have totally integrated into society. Hispanics want to stay Mexican whilst leeching off the system to get handouts for themselves and their families back in Mexico.

What do I hope to accomplish? Well, the Japanese model is an admirable model of a homogenous, productive society with practically no crime. For America, it’s too late for that though. The best we can do is end all African/Mexican/Muslim immigration; end Affirmative Action and equality quotas, and try to find policies that encourage Whites to have more babies to maintain the ethnic and cultural make-up of America. At current trends, we are heading for a White minority in about 40 years. It’s going to put a huge strain on America’s economy and welfare state, and we might see increasingly tense race relations. I don’t think Whites will tolerate this situation forever; there will probably be something that sparks a major backlash or exodus in the future. I look forward to seeing how things map out.

Spic thread revival!