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Why say jew instead of zionist?

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-08 12:51 ID:5p54lgLa

It is illogical.

A zionist is not necessarily a jew.
A jew is not necessarily a zionist.


So let us apply logic to unravel this mystery.

Why do anti-zionists constantly refer to jews in the government they think are part of their conspiracies instead of zionists in the government?

Why don't they realise that if they concentrated their efforts on all zionists instead of just jewish zionists they would make a more effective opposition?

Assuming they are anti-zionist, it must be because they are too stupid or lazy to understand or consider that they are doing something which impedes the anti-zionist movement.

Assuming they are not anti-zionist, it must be because they are anti-semitic and see anti-zionism as an effective way to mask a racist opinion. This is backed up by hyperbolic repetition of the fact that a few zionists pin anti-semitism on all anti-zionists even when the zionist in question has not done so. Again this could be because they are stupid, in which case they don't realise it is unnecessary, or anti-semitic and wish to mask the idea that they are using anti-zionism to mask that they are anti-semitic. This is not an overly elaborate argument, compared to the multiple layers of fallacies used to completely indoctrinate a person, this is mere pittance.

Of course it could always be that they are a troll or pretending to be an anti-semite posing as an anti-zionist to smear the anti-sionizt movement andson on... Though many anti-"zionists" spend too much time on their arguments to be trolls and the complexity of the argument means that only a small proportion of the population will notice them to have much effect. Though arguably this small proportion of the population tends to be the most influential.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-08 14:36 ID:hE0ayaFQ

Your suspicions are right in that a lot of "anti-Semites" use the word "Zionist" as code for "Jew". The main reason behind this is they are more likely to be denounced as a mere "anti-Zionist", rather than an "anti-Semite", the latter of which has a much stronger stigma attatched.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-08 14:43 ID:hE0ayaFQ

Also, there are of course sincere anti-Zionists, who oppose all people - Jews and gentiles - who support Israel. Such people are usually leftists and Muslims.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-09 1:49 ID:W8Lz7Ofw

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I don't believe the Anti-Zionist movement contains as many anti-Semites as the Zionists make us out to be.

One need only look at what the IDF and Israeli Government does, and compare that to International Law to understand the merits of Anti-Zionism.

Several Jewish friends I've made are also Anti-Zionist, as well as there are prominent Jewish people in the Anti-Zionism movement. Chomsky, while claiming to be a Zionist, says a lot of Anti-Zionist things. Finkelstein is another reputable Jew who is working to end the human rights abuses and exposing the double standards of Israel.

Finkelstein helped me understand the affair, in such that Zionism wasn't exactly practiced among Jews until 1967, as well as the holocaust being used for sketchy political ends until then as well.

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-09 1:50 ID:W8Lz7Ofw

Also, Jimmy Carter, despite what you may feel, is not an Anti-Semite, but an Anti-Zionist.

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