Take the hint, OP: Learn to kill. Why buy stuff when you can just take it from your victims? All pretense of civility is leaving the West, so soon enough you're gonna hafta choose to be the guy laying naked and emaciated in the trench, or the guy on top firing the machine gun down.
You stupid Western fuckos wanted REAL CAPITALISM. Well, here you fucks go. Enjoy! (Hint: Buy guns.)
#3, I wasn't talking about solving everything. I was talking about surviving this time of trial. At a certain point, you either take up arms against your oppressor, join him, or end up skeletonized in a mass grave. Your choice, guy.
Then you enjoy a sickness, #5. Too many people around you are in an economic agony, and either you ignore it or you lap it up like precum.
And, oppressed? How are you liking those property taxes? Property taxes have effectively converted ALL owners into renters, since you either rent from the state or you lose your home. But I'm sure that's part of the shit you enjoy, perversely.
I can only repeat: BUY GUNS AND AMMO. This shit will be a whole lot stinkier before it rots down to a better-smelling and more nourishing humus.
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Anonymous2007-07-30 22:32 ID:aHEOVqJx
How did we get from >>1 aspie couldn't get through a job interview without pissing himself
to >>6 libertarian survivalist nutjob who thinks that property taxes are going to be the downfall of western society
You're only renting "your" home from the state. Forced to rent, you're also forced to participate in THEIR bank and money system, which itself is designed to degrade the value of your labor and products.
If recognizing that makes me a nutjob, then I prefer said moniker.
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Anonymous2007-08-01 0:45 ID:F9wu6A0q
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I agree with most of that, but what about the alternative? Even without property tax, who has enough money to buy a house outright? At some point, there has to be renting or loans, neither or which are ideal, but are definitely necessary.
Personally, I'm not having a great time in our economy, but I hardly see it crashing to the ground any time soon. Could you care to maybe articulate WHY you believe that extreme survivalism and violence will be the best way to live in the near future?
#10, the alternative is to decrease your standard of living to save money from the margin created and then to buy the owned asset outright. House prices in America are in a double bubble, from the recent credit bubble, and from "standard" use of loans in the first place.
You can spend 20 years renting in order to own for the rest of your life (when you're the most vulnerable to losses of income due to unemployment and illness). If you start at 20, then own starting at 40, then you have 40 years of owning to enjoy. Without property taxes acting as a confiscatory force, no one can take your home away from you no matter what your financial status is.
Compare that wonderful world to TODAY's practices. Home prices across the nation were 50% overpriced on average as it was, before the housing bubble hit, simply because credit created an artificial bidding force. Throughout the 20th Century, the fraction of each average home purchase began to be consumed with more and more credit (i.e. the LTV for a mortgage kept rising during the entire century). So, today, you spend at least 30 years (note it's more due to re-fis) not only paying for the home, but also paying the costs of credit, and overpaying for insurance (two kinds) since the lender makes it a condition of the loan, and THEN you pay property taxes. Note that on top of all THAT, the really bubbly areas like CA MA FL TX and others tend to have outrages like Mello-Roos and HOAs, which mean even more, artificial taxes and fees added to all that.
A person should only purchase property ONCE. Credit makes him purchase it at least twice, often three times (do to the multiplier of the cost of credit). Property taxes over the life of the buyer make him pay for it at least again, sometimes twice more. And we WONDER why Americans have become so fucking poor. We've ended up as Jefferson warned us against (paraphrasing):
"... lest your children wake up slaves on the continent their fathers conquered."
To return to the culture of liberty and property, Americans should demand that an Absolute Homestead Act be passed. The AHA would assure that no matter what a man owes (except the mortgage), his home cannot be taken to make good on debts. You can even have property taxes in that environment, but if the homeowner can't or won't pay, you can only go after his income and non-home assets ... hence you can't evict him from his home.
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Anonymous2007-08-01 21:02 ID:8FCO3lZY
Why are the insane always the most verbose and well-read?
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Anonymous2007-08-01 22:28 ID:UUrjlq9g
In after RedCream's entertaining nonsense. Your post takes up half my screen, but it doesn't really explain how property tax causes the housing bubble. Is it kind of like how Saddam did 9/11?
#13, no one asked me to "explain how property tax causes the housing bubble", which only makes sense since:
1. I never said it did.
2. I never set out to prove any such thing.
But since all that dross and muckity-muck is in YOUR head, I'll just "no" and smile pleasantly, and then back away slooooooowly, since your kind of crazy is apt to bolt when spooked.
P.S. {from some distance away} You might note that there are "scroll bars" to the right for navigating text that takes up -- GASP! -- more than 1 screenful. I'm so sorry that not all the answers you look for in life fit within a screen.
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Anonymous2007-08-02 4:38 ID:tDGaNJ13
Red Cream, you are an interesting being. What would your utopia be?
#15, there is no utopia, just a set of varying radii of philosophy and culture within each of which like-minded people can remain as it pleases them. That's why Big Government is so evil.
#16, that's a bunch of dross. Jeepers, mister! That's just not very nice of you! Have a chocolate Yoohoo and sit and consider what you've said, mister!