It is due to it being the application of political science. It does not permit failed policies to be continued fruitlessly year after year with idealistic fervour, it is next to impossible for anyone surrounded by fierce libertarian critics to continue clinging on to lies. It is a purely functional machine, lubricated with justice and fueled by free speech.
>>836 OAH WAO. It's true that too many "Libertarians" are just Free-Market Fundamentalists. They never listen to facts or reason ... they just want to get the government off the backs of the corporations in their stock portfolios.
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Anonymous2008-03-01 11:49
How can we make this even more clear...
People, the government is NOT here to PROTECT YOU from corporations and oligopolies. YOU are to defend YOURSELF from it if you wish to. Do it in the community, in the courts, but don't go taxing and regulating every one and making it an even harder market to get into.
The corporations don't give a fuck about regulations, period. They have an army of lawyers ready to circumvent anything the FDA or EPA throws at them, plus the whole system can be bought off anyway.
If you don't like monopolies, don't expect ANY type of government to abolish them for you. Because believe me, all they'll do is create an illusion that they're doing so. And if anything, regulations even help monopolies since it gets harder for small companies to comply with all the FDA garbage.
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Anonymous2008-03-01 13:02
>>842
the government is there to do what i god damn please.
You whine about crony/state capitalism (a branch of socialism) a lot but completely miss out the state's role in the equation.
A small state is not weaker, it is less corrupt. It means instead of endless regulation it focuses all it's attention on actually enforcing justice. Instead of the bureaucratic morass we have now I want a slick, tight knit, efficient government, more like a law enforcement agency, with all the nation's media focussed directly apon it leaving no room for error let alone corruption. All those "EVIL KKKKOORPORATION$" you complain about will find that they can no longer worm their way into loopholes and bribe up an obscure politician bestowed with power over billions of $s worth of the economy. Also, yes, tax will be much lower.
>>834
>THAT IS EXACTLY WHY YOUR STANDARDS MEAN NOTHING, YOU ARE A RETARD WHO KNOWS NOTHING AND MAKES SUCH RIDICULOUSLY RETARDED STATEMENTS YOU FUCKING MORON >>836
>The reply was an irrelevant "less state control needed", which is hilariously ironic, as the subject was about a corporation monopolizing. >>841
>they just want to get the government off the backs of the corporations in their stock portfolios.
These quotes outline the typical faults in common thinking, the direct result of the enormous attention society pays to the doctrine of a mixed economy. It is time to think outside the box. I explained earlier clearly how state control allows monopolies to exist yet this was never addressed, there is no longer any escape from this argument. Ignoring it again and sending another barrage of personal attacks will only result in me concisely dissecting your argument and disproving you for all to see. If you do provide a counter-argument it will of course be addressed as always. Keep firing away. Criticism is a good thing. It's why free speech is beneficial and should be allowed.
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Anonymous2008-03-03 17:00
>>851
And he had said your criticism was worthless because you didn't know anything, and you are still thinking STATE = KOMMUNIZM NO STATE= LIBERTARYAN, which proves it. Of course you are entitled to your right of speech, but that doesn't add any value to your opinion.
Also, "LET'S THINK AWSTAYD DA BOX I DUN WANNA PAY TAXES" isn't a valid argument, sorry. You simply don't have the knowledge to participate in such a discussion.
>Ignoring it again and sending another barrage of personal attacks will only result in me concisely dissecting your argument and disproving you for all to see
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH
The only thing you have disproved is the notion that you were an intelligent person. Come back when you can retort to ANY of the arguments instead of saying BAWWW EVERYONE IS COMMUNIST EVEN THOUGH EVERY FUCKING ECONOMIST AND ECONOMIC THEORY DISAGREES WITH ME, LOOK I DON'T LIEK BUSH AND I DON'T LIEK KOMMIES SO BUSH IS SOCIALIST!!! SEE HOW SMART I R!??? I'LL DISPROVE YOUR ARGUMENTS IF YOU MAKE ME BUTTHURT AGAIN!
it's the crypto-jewish-communists that infiltrate everywhere and publish fake science and economic theories. Only that man saw the truth out of their baby-eating schemes, faggot.
I consider 2+2=5, because I'm different, you should think outside the box - just because I am an uneducated retard with absolutely no knowledge that doesn't mean you shouldn't listen to me, why are you ignoring me?
>>859
Apparently, everything about economics boils down to the size of the state, according to libertarians, as exemplified by them hilariously classifying state capitalism as fucking socialist, even though it contradicts with the definition and I chuckle every time I remember there is an organism in this planet that classified Bush as socialist due to his butthurt retardation - but you can't expect him to know about the definition, when his brain can only accommodate a single bit of binary data - STATE or !STATE. Sad, really...
>The only thing you have disproved is the notion that you were an intelligent person.
No causal link provided.
>Come back when you can retort to ANY of the arguments instead of saying BAWWW EVERYONE IS COMMUNIST EVEN THOUGH EVERY FUCKING ECONOMIST AND ECONOMIC THEORY DISAGREES WITH ME, LOOK I DON'T LIEK BUSH AND I DON'T LIEK KOMMIES SO BUSH IS SOCIALIST!!!
I explained earlier clearly how state control allows monopolies to exist yet this was never addressed.
>and I chuckle every time I remember there is an organism in this planet that classified Bush as socialist due to his butthurt retardation
No attempt to refute my claim.
>- but you can't expect him to know about the definition, when his brain can only accommodate a single bit of binary data - STATE or !STATE. Sad, really...
From >>827
1: Socialism is the belief that the economy should be run by the people, most socialists believe this ought to be done through state control of the economy. I believe this is an awful mistake because it circumvents economic freedom, is inefficient since it ignores the invisible hand of the free market and makes corruption extremely easy.
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Anonymous2008-03-07 23:36
>>858
I did not say that unconformist beliefs are always right, I said that conformist beliefs are not always right. >>859
When the state interferes with the economy in matters which are not related to enforcing justice then it is using a socialist policy. >>860
I believe there should be a state, just not a state capitalism or state socialism. Bush is less socialist than Barak Obama but he still supports socialist policies. >>861
I voted for Alan Keyes, he supports socialist policies but that's not all I care about. I also care about true American values and freedom. Heard of them?
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Anonymous2008-03-08 14:31
LOL why am I so right about everything?
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Anonymous2008-03-08 15:14
>>862
>No attempt to refute my claim.
LOOK KIDS, THE BUTTHURT RETARD STILL CLAIMS BUSH IS SOCIALIST
ITT: Extreme retardation, which is apparent to everyone, but one. It's sad, really. I'm sorry I won't be bothered to waste my time like these other retards with someone so full of bullshit that he claims George W. Bush is socialist, along with everything else because he read it in a retarded blog or something, with a stupid definition not even a mother could love.
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Anonymous2008-03-08 15:33
You seem to be calling any policy that is not anarchistic in nature socialist. If you want to take that line of reasoning everyone is socialist. EVERY SINGLE PERSON. EVEN YOU!
>>867
It's funny because according to this idiot's definition, Anarchist Communism isn't socialist, but State Capitalism is. Is this how they teach American kids to think these days? Bifurcated thought at its finest.
UR ALL RONG, THIS MAN IS RIGHT BECAUSE HE IS NON-COMFORMISST, FUCK EVIDENCE!! SCIENCE AND EECONOMICS ARE LIES OF JEWISH COMMUNISTS, INTELLIGENCE AND EDUKAYSHUN ARE OVERRATED, GO GO FREE MARKET RAPE! BUSH IS COMMUNIST, PROVE ME WRONG!!!!!ONEONE!
Bush is communist? I KNEW IT - That was why they named those places red states after all...
Seriously, though, this discussion is too stupid even by /n/ standards, which is pretty much as low as it gets.
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Anonymous2008-03-09 9:43
>>865 >>866 >>868 >>869 >>870 >>871 >>872 >>874
My definition of socialism encompasses all forms of unnecessary state intervention in the economy in the name of "the people", when you are ready to explain why this is wrong go right ahead.
You find this assertion absurd only because it is not popular and when I point this out you believe that this is my only argument in favour of it. Well it isn't, I already explained the reasonning behind it.
From >>827
1: Socialism is the belief that the economy should be run by the people, most socialists believe this ought to be done through state control of the economy. I believe this is an awful mistake because it circumvents economic freedom, is inefficient since it ignores the invisible hand of the free market and makes corruption extremely easy.
And my criticism is valid.
From >>863
I did not say that unconformist beliefs are always right, I said that conformist beliefs are not always right.
So there you have both facts in the same post. Can you ignore them both? Let's see what you can come up with now.
>>875
So I see that Bush is still communist, and anarchist communists are still actually capitalists.
>facts
there are no facts, there is only your retarded belief, which is caused by your extreme ignorance. Enjoy believing in ridiculous things against every possible intelligent explanation and definition, and being so stupid that you think the shitty definition you made which contradicts with what it is, makes something a fact.
This is how retarded libertarians think, if you had proper education, you wouldn't have butthurt American things thinking socialism is STAAAYT, and then making his "own" definition, which contradicts with everything else, but he simply doesn't have the intelligence or the knowledge to see how fucking stupid this is, and keeps repeating the same bullshit, crying about how his illogical, retarded beliefs with no connection to factuality is "right". Very, very sad.
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Anonymous2008-03-09 14:44
Socialism means the government does things first and foremost for the people. Sometimes this damages the economy, that is, the rich-man's economy. Working people are net beneficiaries. In a democratic system, socialism should be the common-sense result of political decision-making. However, in the USA, socialism is little understood by the population and is the subject of massive corporate propaganda, seeking to convince people that if the government passes laws and adjusts budgets to benefit working people, it will HURT rather than HELP them. That so many people fall for this propaganda is a fine testament to the power of the joint corporate-state propaganda system in the US.