All libertarians are faggots

quit being faggots guys

also stop describing yourself as libertarian and start describing yourself and anti-food safety, anti-public universities, anti-environment, anti-labor law, anti-border security, etc...

stop describing the faggots who parade under the libertarian party as libertarians cuz they're not

real libertarians want more individual social freedoms and a free market economy; we're not normally radical to the point of denying ALL government regulation.

>>1
You just described the republicans...

>>1
I know you're a troll fag, but you have quite a nice line up of issues voters care about so I will explain how libertarianism solves all these problems.

Food safety: Only a liberal being apologetic towards his national socialist masters would say that poisonning people should be legal. Don't be absurd, of course we are pro-food safety.

Public universities: Subsidising universities corrupts the calculation as to whether a person's education will be beneficial to the economy which causes innumerable problems. For example it means talented people are tempted to take courses that are not as beneficial to the economy just because they enjoy them, as charitable and nice as this sounds tax payer's money should not exist to give people a free ride. Alternatives exist which achieve this, but have been stamped out and persecuted by liberals and the government as they are weak minded and afraid of change.

Environment: The environment will be bought and sold and coorporations will seek permanent revenues on their investments to ensure shareholder loyalty. As a result nations such as Cuba and North Korea which burn enormous quantities of fossil fuels will have to purchase the oxygen that they burn. Also the corporations involved will use their profits to remove carbon from the atmosphere and produce oxygen.

Labor laws: People are free to form unions under a libertarian government, they are merely not permitted to force it on others. In a highly competitive economy such as the current US economy, corporations favour a permanent workforce which is familiar with it's work environment as this improves productivity. Unions also thrive in this condition. Lowerring tax often causes the economy to heat increasing worker's pay and lowerring the need for populist unrealistic utopias, which is why liberals enjoy taxing people into poverty.

Border security: Unfortunately the entire world is not libertarian so in the interest of enforcing justice borders would be totally closed and a background check from only the most compliant and cooperative police forces from other countries would permit immigration. The military would be issued with closing the borders, we would bring the men and materials currently in Iraq over to the Canadian and Mexican border to achieve this.

The "border fence" is full of lulz.

Wasn't this the same govt. that wanted the Berlin wall pulled down?

Gawd I love hypocrites!

>>4
Best parody ever. Pure genius!

>>7

w/e you're just a malcontented, inarticulate democrat who thinks people will have more respect for you if you wave the libertarian flag.  Libertarians hate the government and you know it.

>>7

TIME PARADOX

the irony:

The academics who study to start a career are usually libertarians because they don't want to pay for those who didn't study for years and took the easy way out.
Academics who want to do state funded research are socialists on the other hand because they don't like being pressured into actually researching stuff.
Here we see that the socialists exploit the working class.

>>5
Use your brain.

People were fleeing out of the failed socialist state of east Germany into west Germany and east Germany built the wall to prevent their slaves from escaping.

On the US-Mexican border at the moment, Mexico is encouraging it's excess slave population to jump the border and the US will build the border fence to keep them out.

See the difference? East Germany wants to keep slaves in. The Us wants to keep slaves out.

>>6
It's not a parody. Crushing counter argument to follow?

>>9
Truth told.

libertarians are conformist fags

>>12
Conformity and non-conformity are irrelevant. People are free to be homosexual if they wish. So there is nothing necessarily wrong with being a conformist fag. It is highly unlikely that all libertarians are homosexual.

Non-conforming is conforming.

Let that logic blow ya fuckin' minds...

>>14
I blew my load.

I also contemplated the fact that what people believe is non-conformist is often merely conformism to something else.

>>9
Rofl, so I suppose the state-funded folks over at NASA never accomplished anything?

>>16

Now, that's a perfect argument for... well, nothing.
Nice example for totally missing the point thought.

Just a random though here: in the UK, all Universities are public, and here in Scotland, Scottish residents do not pay tuition fees at all. If I want to do a year at say, Boston College or UC Berkeley, the government will pay too. Most international students have to pay fees though, starting from about $20,000 p/a for arts degrees.

>>18
Which is why you'll find there are less and less places for locals and more and more for international students.

I'm in Australia and that shit is happening now. My govt sold us out and looks as if the Britsh govt is now doing the same...

No such thing as a successful Libertarian nation. Thread over.

>>19

Actually most people at Scottish universities are Scottish. I forgot to mention that EU students get their fees paid as well. We don't have racist quotas.

>>1

True.

The libertarians and for that matter greens and socialists are for the most part simply acting out a teenage fantasy of being "against the man".  It's a nice fantasy, because it allows you to take positions that would never work in the real world.  But since your parties are never going to impliment those policies ('cause they don't win any major office), you're free to potificate about how we'd have Utopia if we'd only do exactly what the green/libertarians/socialists WANT us to do.

If you really want to be a libertarian, you and a bunch of your buddies go find an islans somewhere (or build a rocket and go to Mars), and run a society on those priciples.  If you're a libertarian, that means no one can regulate anything, no taxes, and maybe a private army and police force.  For socialists, just the opposite -- send all your goods to the government, and have a bunch of free services.  Either way, I'll see you in two years.  You'll probably be trying to illegally re-immigrate back to the US or some other Western nation. 

Idealism is nice, but it's not real.  Utopia means nowhere, because there is no place on earth where people will act perfectly to each other.

>>22

Just a side note:
There's no free land on this world. Each spot is claimed by at least one country and if you do somethnig funny then they'll send troops to kill you.
And people already got killed because some fags tried to start their own kingdom.

>>22

You've muddled and crammed that political spectrum into your small post-teenage world view that you generalize them as RAGE-AGAINST-THE-MACHINE -- and you demean their practical position that authoritarianism can always create bad situations.

>>25

Well, from what I've seen, it's absolutely true.  They are raging against "the Machine".  In the more Socialist circles, "the Machine" means those evil capitalists and corporations making a profit and holding down the little people.  If not for the Evil Capitalist, life would be perfect and we'd dance to folk music and do nothing but make folk art all day.  Not a care in the world. 

And for Libertarians, "the Machine" is the government. Oh, if only there was no government, the invisible hand of the market would take care of everything and we'll spend our days doing whatever we want, and people will always be able to work hard and make enough money to get whatever they want.

And in most cases, the people who advocate for the political extremes are high school and college students who have absolutely NO contact with the economy other than a part time job.  Mommy and Daddy still take care of Louie the Libertarian and Stan the Socialist.  This isn't based on reality, it's a form of mental masterbation.  You get to pretend to be informed and challenge the system (girls like a strong independent thinker), yet you know deep down that the system you propose has absolutely no chance on actually existing. 
Neither one of them works in the real world.  The closest we have to a libertarian economy are places in Central and South America with relatively weak governments.  What seems to happen is that you have no middle class -- there are the very rich and the very poor and few in the middle. 

In socialist countries, you kill off most innovation.  Name three major inventions coming from Sweden (widely reguarded as Socialist Utopia).  You won't be able to, because without the profit motive, no one will bother to invent or improve anything. 

Both systems, in their pure form will destroy a society.  In pure capitalism, it's a fairly medieval system with a large wealthy "lord" class surrounded by poorly educated peasents.  On the socialist side you get stagnant societies where the worst thing you can do is rock the boat. 

The best solution seems to be balancing the two against each other, so that the free market does what it does best, and the government provides reasonable protection against the excesses of capitalism.  It takes negotiation and hard work to figure out what the best mix is, but it can be done.

All of you guys are right about idealism, but unfortunately Libertarianism is a science, if it were an idealism it would be about the government forcing people to abide by certain arbitrary laws in order to achieve an "ideal". Libertarianism is about letting people live their own way with the least interference needed to secure peace and law. If you want to be a socialist in a libertarianism you are free to set up your own hippy colony somewhere and attempt to create your ideal society there, maybe if it is succesful more people will join in. You're just not allowed to force other people to comply.

>>25

*sigh* sweden is a country with a population of 9 million, most small nations can't brag about alot of major inventions, but they're pretty big on technology, the thing is that most "inventions" these days aren't basic neccesities and thus don't get world famous. look at switzerland, they're not socialist, name any major swiss invention?
Also sweden isn't a socialist utopia it's a modern well functioning socialliberal country.


>>26
tell me please, how is libertarianism a science?

>>27

It's a branch of political science (at best).

Also, Switzerland is a great place to live. They have a no-nonsense approach to politics, with their semi-direct system. Most households own guns, yet gun crime is proportionally much, much lower than the use.

>>25
One could argue that scientists search for things for the expansion of knowledge, which is true of about 90% of scientific discoveries, no inherent practical use, but it enlightens mankind.
Scientists are different from libertarians in this regard.

>>28

i said nothing about switzerland being a gerat place to live, i'm sure it is, but so is sweden, lol. I was just using it as another small country that had a system very much unlike sweden to say that just because switzerland doesn't have alot taxes they don't spit out huge paradigm-shifting inventions constantly.

>>25
You might want to do a little research on the straw-man fallacy, and as a quick tip, libertarianism is NOT the same thing as anarchism.

>>31

I didn't say that libertarian is exactly the same as anarchism.  But government regulations do protect people in some cases.

Things like the FDA are necessary, because a person has no way to test for himself that the food he eats is safe, and the drugs actually treat the diseases they're advertised for. 

Imagine that your doctor tells you you need a heart pill.  In a libertarian system where drug testing doesn't happen, it's a crapshoot.  Maybe one brand of pill is 99.99% MSG and does absolutely nothing, and the next brand is poorly manufactured so taking one pill could mean anything from 1/4 to 4x the recommended dose.  Nothing could go wrong there, let alone if your pills are made in a filthy factory.  Maybe the pill doesn't even really do anything, it's snake oil.  How do you tell the good from the bad?  It would take not only a medical degree, but a lot of chemistry knowledge to keep from getting scammed and possibly dying if some guy decides to make pills at a lower standard. 

That's the trouble with libertarianism in a nutshell, we live in a complex society, and we simply cannot protect ourselves from scams and fraud.  Especially in cases where we lack the knowledge or the ability to check for ourselves.

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libertarians are conformist fags.

>>34
u conform to non-conformists

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"Thanks for your contribution, but it was too large."

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>>32
The second a person dies because of a medication that company is fucked.  Just look at teh Peanut butter scandal.  That company is in  major financial trouble because they have to pull so many jars off teh shelf, etc.