Does the US benefit by supporting Israel?

This isn't a troll..  I seriously don't know.  It seems in supporting Israel, the US gains nothing but dozens of enemies.  Also Israel spies on the US and sells US technology to other contries.  Also this isn't about Jews, just Israel.

>>1
Israel has been an ally of the west since the 50s. Since the end of the cold war the benefit the US gained has diminished, but the political momentum for continued funding of the Israeli military is still there. There are also many supporters of Israel in the US vote base. I am sure there are other factors, but these are the 2 most apparent.

>>3
But what are the concrete benefits for the US besides the "Israel vote"

Keeping the middle east destabilized.

>>4

What's wrong with a stable mid-east?

USA have more jews than Israel

>>3
I suppose another factor is that the Israelis permit a full US military presence on Israeli soil, whereas the most tolerant arab countries will only allow a temporary and limited presence.

Isreal is important to control the middle east.
Even though the Cold War is over the Russians might be dangerous someday again.

>>7
If that's true, why isn't there a significant American presence of bases/camps in Israel like in Turkey, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, Oman, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Djibouti?

I think you don't know what you're talking about.

>>7 >Isreal is important to control the middle east.


why?  we're in other countries. prove this

>>9
In order to see why you are wrong read my post again. Be sure to admit you are wrong so I know you're not a troll.

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>>11

I read and understood your post.  Fuck you, I'm not a troll and I'm notwrong. 

So Israel will let us extensivly use their territory.  So will Kuwait and Dubai.  And of those three, Israel is the only one the US doesn't have a significant presence in right now.  Also, If another Cold War comes, Israel would be idiotic to side with Russia.

I just don't see potantial permission of military land use as a major factor in 2007.

>>5

A stable middle east means a serious number of countries with fairly extensive populations, eating, sleeping, and fighting to survive. If these countries stabilize to even China's standards the strain on the world's oil supply would be destructive to several western economies.

>>12
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>>13
"whereas the most tolerant arab countries will only allow a temporary and limited presence."
Pretty much the entire sentence was about the fact that Israelis allow a complete military presence compared to other countries.

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So Israel says they'll allow us to station there.  Is that the only reason?

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>>19

Thanks for killing the thread with an airtight answer involving a non-existent future war that will probably never occur.  That's worth decades and decades of associative antagonism targeted towards the US.  Might as well pack up cause there's nothing more to see around here.

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>>24

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azeh Darwazi, cameraman for the US news agency APTN (Associated Press Television Network), was killed on 19 April 2003 in the centre of Nablus (West Bank) by what eye-witnesses said was a bullet in the head fired by an Israeli soldier from about 20 yards away. The journalist, 42, was wearing a yellow jacket marked "press" and was with a group of half a dozen journalists covering clashes between a group of young Palestinians and Israeli soldiers.
Three people filmed the incident, including a Reuters cameraman. APTN asked the Israeli authorities to make a full and speedy investigation into what it deplored as a pointless death. Army spokeswoman Maj. Sharon Feingold said first indications were that the soldiers had been fired on by armed Palestinians who had also hurled explosives as the troops were helping an Israeli tank in difficulty.
Witnesses said a soldier got out of a jeep which had come to help the tank and shot the journalist in cold blood without any exchange of fire. The Israeli army said a more thorough enquiry would be made but its conclusions were not announced.

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British documentary-maker and cameraman James Miller, working for his TV production company Frostbite, was shot dead near midnight on 2 May in Rafah, near the border between Gaza and Egypt. He was with journalist Saira Shah and an assistant, Daniel Edge, also with Frostbite, as well as two Palestinian translators.
Miller, 34, was killed by a bullet in the neck as he was leaving a Palestinian house from which he had been filming for three hours. An APTN cameraman who was with the crew filmed what happened. Eye-witnesses said an Israeli soldier fired from a tank though there was no other shooting at the time. The journalists waved a white flag lit up by a torch and shouted towards the tanks.
The army at first denied any of its tanks were in the area at the time. Then it said troops, who had found a tunnel inside a house, had been fired at with an anti-tank rocket and had fired back. Military spokesman Jacob Dalal said Miller had apparently been hit during this exchange of fire. The army said it regretted the incident but said the journalist had taken great risks by being in a war zone.
Col. Avi Levy, deputy military commander in the Gaza Strip, told Israeli state-run radio on 4 May that Miller had been shot in the back while facing an Israeli tank, which he said meant he may have been killed by Palestinian gunfire. However, an Israeli autopsy two days later showed he had been killed by an Israeli bullet in the neck which entered from the front, confirming the evidence of journalists, who said they had been spotted by the Israeli soldiers as soon as they arrived.

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Palestinian photographer Saïf Dahla, of the French news agency Agence France-Presse (AFP), was wounded in the right leg on 28 January 2003 by two machinegun bullets fired by Israeli soldiers as they entered the West Bank town of Jenin. He said he was wearing a helmet and a bulletproof jacket with "press" written on the front. The soldiers had fired from a tank about five metres away and there was no fighting at the time. A Reuters cameraman and an AP photographer were with him.

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Ahmed Jadallah (photographer) and Shams Odeh (cameraman), both of Reuters, were wounded on 6 March as they were covering an Israeli army incursion into the Gaza Strip refugee camp of Jabalia. Jadallah was seriously wounded in the legs by shrapnel and Odeh less seriously wounded in the foot. Palestinian sources said a shell was fired into a group of civilians trying to put out a fire, killing eight of them. An Israeli army officer said a bomb had previously gone off inside a building and an Israeli tank had then fired a shell at a Palestinian carrying a rocket-launcher. Reporters Without Borders asked the army to investigate but got no reply.

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Palestinian journalists Joseph Handal, of the French TV station France 2, and Chaaban Qandel, working for a Palestinian TV station, were attacked and pushed to the ground by Israeli soldiers in Bethlehem (West Bank) on 20 May, despite showing their press cards. Handal was badly beaten, treated for an injured hand and was unable to work.

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