Liberals and Libertarians.

There was one thread named "libertarians are a joke" with some liberals talking as though all libertarians are capitalists and libertarians pointing out that this was wrong.

Then there was another thread named "what does socialism mean" with some libertarians talking as though all liberals are communists and some liberals pointing out that this was wrong.

We should be beginning to see a pattern here.

Are we all in agreement that Marx's idea of communism and capitalism are all naive bullshit? I'm not just talking about Marx either, I'm talking about all sorts of political philosophers who knew very little about the field they discussed and viewed the world through a very narrow lense. Marx discussed socio-economics yet he did not major in mathematics which is fundamental to any subject dealing with economics. In his writings he did not prove scientifically that his theories were viable. He was a total failure. No one can take him seriously as a scientist, only as a case study in psychology investigating how people get drawn into fallacies.

So Libertarians believe communism is utter BS and claim not to be capitalists but free marketeers. Whilst liberals believe capitalism is utter BS and claim not to be communists but social democrats....

Perhaps it is time for libertarians to state clearly that capitalism is BS and for liberals to state clearly that communism is BS.

Then we can all agree that Marx and other idealists who followed suite, including national socialists, capitalists and fascists, were bullshitters and we need to do things scientifically.

As a libertarian myself I hereby clearly state that capitalism is BS.

>>6
Communism is the opium of the masses.

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>>14
In a capitalism the government plays an extremely minimal role, just there to maintain public order and the army. Capitalism has never existed beyond criminal organisations within nations because it is much more natural for fascism or some other unification of state and big business to exist in it's place as a system of national government.

In a free market the government intervenes to preserve justice and liberty. Marx attempted to mix up free markets and fascist economic systems by pointing out that they used money as a method of assessing value and calling them capitalist, which is the equivalent of calling the nationalised education system the equivalent of the totalitarian soviet regime just because they were both organised by the state. They are both "statist", but such an abstract term is too broad to label an entire organisation.

>>15
Communism was however based on a large sum of his fallacies. Marx never accepted criticism, he went down his line of thought and believed anything that contradicted it was either a foolish aspect of culture developped by the bourgoisie to preserve their ignorance or an evil plot by capitalists to fool the proletariat into bein subservient and dismissed it with ease.

Critic: Grass is green.
Marx: Green is grassroots bourgeoisie fantasy. The bourgeoisie mentality is such that all that is green is grass, when he looks into a field and sees a field of green he does not question the fact that his eyes are out of focus he assumes it is grass and goes on with his business of ignoring his exploitation of the proletariat. They do not walk on all fours to ensure that evey green that enters their eyeballs is reflected from grass.

>>16
*yawn*

>>17, >>19
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