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Liberals and Libertarians.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-11 8:45 ID:5849I8oB

There was one thread named "libertarians are a joke" with some liberals talking as though all libertarians are capitalists and libertarians pointing out that this was wrong.

Then there was another thread named "what does socialism mean" with some libertarians talking as though all liberals are communists and some liberals pointing out that this was wrong.

We should be beginning to see a pattern here.

Are we all in agreement that Marx's idea of communism and capitalism are all naive bullshit? I'm not just talking about Marx either, I'm talking about all sorts of political philosophers who knew very little about the field they discussed and viewed the world through a very narrow lense. Marx discussed socio-economics yet he did not major in mathematics which is fundamental to any subject dealing with economics. In his writings he did not prove scientifically that his theories were viable. He was a total failure. No one can take him seriously as a scientist, only as a case study in psychology investigating how people get drawn into fallacies.

So Libertarians believe communism is utter BS and claim not to be capitalists but free marketeers. Whilst liberals believe capitalism is utter BS and claim not to be communists but social democrats....

Perhaps it is time for libertarians to state clearly that capitalism is BS and for liberals to state clearly that communism is BS.

Then we can all agree that Marx and other idealists who followed suite, including national socialists, capitalists and fascists, were bullshitters and we need to do things scientifically.

As a libertarian myself I hereby clearly state that capitalism is BS.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-11 17:12 ID:wzNtjLmi

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They don't call it "Social Darwinism" for nothing.

And yes, communism failed because of basic human nature. Everybody wants more power, not matter what. Competition is instinctual amongst humans. It's practically impossible to get a small group of people together to work solely towards a common communal benefit. Just imagine getting an entire country to do it. Stalin's USSR is what you get.

Not to say that people, much less entire countries, aren't constantly being exploited through capitalism (or in the name of free market). One of the most prominent aspects of a truly civilized society is their ability and willingness to protect those who can't fend for themselves. This value often gets lost in capitalist societies as people chase the almighty dollar (or euro/yen/krone/franc/whatever suits you from where you're reading from).

At least (as far as I know) people aren't getting shipped off to "labor camps" in capitalist societies... yet.

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