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Libertarianism is a joke.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-08 20:42 ID:9zWk4Gwy

It's the 21st century version of laissez-faire. Instead of the government raping our asses, it's the corporations. I'd rather have some form of regulation in capitalism than none. Notice how the areas that resembles libertarianism politics the most are the areas that are leeching federal money and relies heavily on manufacturing jobs. Way to take care of your population.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-11 20:46 ID:xeheWz1q

fuck 'em all!

4chan is running the world now. time to do some house cleaning :)

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-12 2:02 ID:iybxGeMQ

>>32

"Libertarianism isn't about the economy, it's about personal freedom. The Libertarian Party happens to be very conservative economically, but Libertarianism in general is not. I am a Left Libertarian and I think laissez faire is a load of horse shit."

YOU ARE CONFUSED BOTH POLITICALLY AND SEXUALLY.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-12 11:33 ID:h2di4uUO

>>42
your mom isn't

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-12 13:54 ID:iybxGeMQ

>>43

YOUR MOM HAS A PENIS.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-12 14:24 ID:h2di4uUO

>>44
no urz

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-14 1:44 ID:GLMFcenk

>>37
Again, it's just a quiz and not entirely accurate. It exaggerates being pro-regulation to being Communist, when I am more accurately described as a Keynesianist. But I do think they pinned me on the personal freedom scale.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-14 4:49 ID:OUL0ttqO

Libertarianism does not work nor has it ever work.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-14 11:00 ID:T2/vB6Oq

>>47
Hong Kong has a free market economy, and despite the fact that they are a tiny island nation with litte resources, yet their unemployment and crime are both extremely low.  All libertarianism is is a free market economy, with respect for civil liberties, both of which I consider to be good things. 

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-14 15:04 ID:OUL0ttqO

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-14 15:13 ID:OUL0ttqO

Libertarianism is made of fail and aids. I don't see the difference between being raped by teh government and raped by teh corporations. Both sides needs to be balanced and regulated by each other. It's similar to the three branches of government. Get it?

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-14 16:14 ID:NfOmwhBV

>>50
The 3 branches failed aswell. One side just gets a lot of power and secretly controls the one that it is supposed to be dependant on.

The only hope is to give the power to the people, by expanding political, personal and economic freedom.

Also liberals < conservatives. Conservatives only hate economic freedom, liberals hate all 3.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-14 16:16 ID:NfOmwhBV

>>51
Oops make that conservatives don't hate economic freedom, liberals hate all 3, though conservatives to implement some socialist business practices behind closed doors

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-14 20:11 ID:Kf8DaO2Z

hey guyz so i hear theres some caricatures going on here

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-14 21:47 ID:T2/vB6Oq

>>50
Too bad that's all bullshit.  The corporations just buy out the bureaucrats, and then you get double fucked.
1.  You get fucked because you have to pay for the bureaucrats and their cushy jobs and shoddy work.
2.  You get fucked because the bureaucrats get corrupted by big money.  (The little guy gets fucked in this situation as well since he doesn't have assloads of money to insure any regulations imposed are suitable to his situations.

>>51
Conservatives hate economic freedom? This is news to me. 

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-14 22:20 ID:3Qmaiwgg

>>54
he corrected it
>>50
government can freeze prices, change inflation, unemployment, wars, resources, and have a huge army.
believe me in a free market people would still would be like making 5 dollars an hour.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-14 23:08 ID:OUL0ttqO

>>54

Exaggerate much? Some govt officials may get bribed but there are at least regulations that prevents some abuse from the corporations. Otherwise, we would see snake oil and lead paint on the shelves. Ironically, the most corrupted govt officials are either conservatives or republicans who claim to be conservatives.

I'm not for a bigger govt but I'm also not for the elimination of the govt's role in capitalism.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-14 23:09 ID:OUL0ttqO

>>55
"government can freeze prices, change inflation, unemployment, wars, resources, and have a huge army.
believe me in a free market people would still would be like making 5 dollars an hour."

George Bush did all that? WHAT A FUCKING ASSHOLE.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-14 23:14 ID:3Qmaiwgg

>>57
Not George Bush, but latter presidents.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-15 0:18 ID:4jz4LMUd

>>58
Former you mean, dumbass.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-15 1:00 ID:2XK5wqb1

>>55
"government can freeze prices, change inflation, unemployment, wars, resources, and have a huge army.
believe me in a free market people would still would be like making 5 dollars an hour."

The government can indeed change inflation.  It can change it by not causing it to begin with.  Inflation is largely the fault of the Federal Reserve and its monetary policies.  Regarding wars and resources, the government can't just pull resources out of thin air.  When the government acquires new resources for whatever reason, be it to bomb some random country on the other side of the world or to raise a 'huge army,' it typically gets them by taxing - coercively extracting these resources from those who have earned them legitimately. 

As for your notion that we would all be worse off in a rather free market economy? I find that notion dubious at best.  It would be fair to say you could expect decreases in the wages of workers in the United States under such a system.  However there are many benefits to be had from such a system.  For example, in east asia, China specifically, around 300,000,000 people have been lifted out of poverty, and there is a developing middle class in the region, thanks to trade and commerce.  While it is understandable that people would be upset over decreased wages, you must also weigh in this benefit, as well as the many others. 

>>56
I don't think anyone in this thread is advocating not having government at all.  I am simply advocating less.  Hopefully you won't get your panties in a bunch over it.  I wasn't exaggerating, I was making generalizations.  When I say:  "we need to get rid of these government regulations because they hamper the economy," I don't mean to get rid of ALL government regulations.  It is just a general statement, and you are apparently taking it far too literally.

"Ironically, the most corrupted govt officials are either conservatives or republicans who claim to be conservatives. "

Yet the regulatory agencies that house the bureaucrats that are then corrupted were, in most cases, initially created by democrats. 

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-15 18:53 ID:JWBy00Sc

"I find that notion dubious at best.  It would be fair to say you could expect decreases in the wages of workers in the United States under such a system.  However there are many benefits to be had from such a system.  For example, in east asia, China specifically, around 300,000,000 people have been lifted out of poverty, and there is a developing middle class in the region, thanks to trade and commerce.  While it is understandable that people would be upset over decreased wages, you must also weigh in this benefit, as well as the many others. "

What a retarded example. Anybody could come out of poverty by having a job that pays 1.00 an hour over no job. The problem is that most people will be stuck at those low wage jobs and they would not be able to afford a decent education that could give them the skills to work at a higher paying job. This is a huge problem since most libertarians advocate a private education system with little government involvement. Did your ass not learn anything from the Industrialization Era?

Keep in mind that China is not completely libertarian in their economy and that people over there are fighting for better pay and conditions like the Americans back in the early 1900's that would help them in the future.


"I don't think anyone in this thread is advocating not having government at all.  I am simply advocating less.  Hopefully you won't get your panties in a bunch over it.  I wasn't exaggerating, I was making generalizations.  When I say:  "we need to get rid of these government regulations because they hamper the economy," I don't mean to get rid of ALL government regulations.  It is just a general statement, and you are apparently taking it far too literally."

And I'm arguing that we would be worse off if there are too little government involvement in a free market economy using red states as my example.

Libertarianism = more freedom on paper.

Good luck trying to enjoy your extra freedoms while working 13 hour work days.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-15 18:55 ID:JWBy00Sc

Still waiting for someone to name a country that runs successfully under libertarianism. I'm sick of countries like Switzerland, Denmark, Norway, Germany, and all those other Eurofags that are topping the quality of life list every year.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-15 21:48 ID:vr7HhVTl

>>62
Switzerland is libertarian.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-16 0:21 ID:A8UCSAJg

Switzerland is not libertarian.
The free market died before WW2. AFAIK Chile is the only libertarian country right now and it's #1 in South America.
Anyways, >>62 is an idiot for not knowing how the situation in the said countries looks right now.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-16 13:55 ID:VWjPDBba

>>64
they have machine guns

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-16 18:04 ID:Heaven

>>64
The socialist party currently holds power in Chile

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-16 21:02 ID:Yr+N7qCb

>>63

obvious troll is obvious. or stupid, your choice.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-17 12:42 ID:pfuRmeAe

OH MY GOD THEY WANT US TO HAVE FREEDOM AND THEY AREN'T EITHER REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT! CAN NOT ALLOW!

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-17 21:05 ID:BPB5Nzfl

>>68
"OH MY GOD THEY WANT US TO HAVE FREEDOM AND THEY AREN'T EITHER REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT! CAN NOT ALLOW!"

THE FREEDOM FOR CORPORATIONS TO RAPE US IN THE ASS, AMIRITE?

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-17 21:06 ID:O+c+sO8b

cho will go shoot ur ass if u don't shut up


KOREANS FOR THE WIN

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-20 2:40 ID:wo/NoeyY

conservative korean family is conservative.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-20 3:34 ID:wo/NoeyY

Hey guys, let's privatize all roads. It will be like, super effective.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-21 0:12 ID:Heaven

Let's privatize the whole government! Who needs representation anyway?

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-21 20:07 ID:dUtUkmCJ

American political hierarchy:

Democrats = Republicans > dog shit > ... > Libertarians

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-21 22:40 ID:EyQm+Idz

>>61

"What a retarded example. Anybody could come out of poverty by having a job that pays 1.00 an hour over no job."

Well then oh shit, the free market is pulling hundreds of millions of people out of poverty? FUCK WE GOTTA GET RID OF THAT FUCKING FREE MARKET DON'T WE?

"The problem is that most people will be stuck at those low wage jobs and they would not be able to afford a decent education that could give them the skills to work at a higher paying job."

Only if the Chinese government squashes private development and economic growth.  And again, plus, were it not for the evil capitalists stepping in, they would still be wallowing in squalor, misery, and poverty.  I have strong confidence that if the Chinese government were to roll back its rigid control of personal activities in China that China would develop its economy at an unprecedented rate, and that its people would experiance a huge increase in prosperity and personal freedom.

"This is a huge problem since most libertarians advocate a private education system with little government involvement."

Being a moderate libertarian, I don't advocate a completely privatized education system.  I *do* advocate experimentation with a voucher system, and then following this an evaluation of the merits of such a system.  But of course, your definition of libertarianism is probably pretty much "zomg anarchist!1", so you wouldn't know shit about us moderate libertarians to begin with, would you?

"Keep in mind that China is not completely libertarian in their economy and that people over there are fighting for better pay and conditions like the Americans back in the early 1900's that would help them in the future."

And the Chinese government is getting in the way.  Good pay and conditions result from a capitalistic society that is technologically advanced and, thanks to their market-based economy, has the tools, technology, and competitiveness necessary to create an abundance of wealth availible for anyone who will work for it.  Combine this with workers' unions to help organize labor and negotiate good deals for workers, and you have a potent combination to bring people personal freedoms and a growing economy.  Most of the advances labor has made in the United States were not made through government action, but through the action of unions of private workers.

"And I'm arguing that we would be worse off if there are too little government involvement in a free market economy using red states as my example."

LOL? The areas of the United States that lack development tend to lack development because most cities developed near rivers, lakes, oceans, major waterways, or other conditions that are conducive to trade, commerce, industry, and production.  This is what attracted people and industry to these areas, not their left-leaning tendencies.  Sorry, but you fail for complete ignorance of history.  What a fucking retard.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-21 23:23 ID:5EbTuYNt

WILL TONY SOPRANO DIE BALD?

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-22 0:14 ID:FrbM5Llu

"And I'm arguing that we would be worse off if there are too little government involvement in a free market economy using red states as my example."

LOL? The areas of the United States that lack development tend to lack development because most cities developed near rivers, lakes, oceans, major waterways, or other conditions that are conducive to trade, commerce, industry, and production.  This is what attracted people and industry to these areas, not their left-leaning tendencies.  Sorry, but you fail for complete ignorance of history. 

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Wow.  Pwnage.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-27 0:33 ID:EGYdYfkA

>>75

"Well then oh shit, the free market is pulling hundreds of millions of people out of poverty? FUCK WE GOTTA GET RID OF THAT FUCKING FREE MARKET DON'T WE?"

Why don't you point out where I advocated such a view you fuckface.

"Only if the Chinese government squashes private development and economic growth.  And again, plus, were it not for the evil capitalists stepping in, they would still be wallowing in squalor, misery, and poverty.  I have strong confidence that if the Chinese government were to roll back its rigid control of personal activities in China that China would develop its economy at an unprecedented rate, and that its people would experiance a huge increase in prosperity and personal freedom."



I have strong confidence that you're full of shit with nothing to back up your claims. No one in this thread has yet to point out a country with a completely unregulated capitalist system that lead to "a huge increase in prosperity and personal freedom." All successful capitalist nations have some sort of intervention by the government which you can't seem to comprehend. But don't let that stop you from getting a huge increase in your boner from your bullshit political ideals with no practical results in the real world.

"And the Chinese government is getting in the way.  Good pay and conditions result from a capitalistic society that is technologically advanced and, thanks to their market-based economy, has the tools, technology, and competitiveness necessary to create an abundance of wealth availible for anyone who will work for it.  Combine this with workers' unions to help organize labor and negotiate good deals for workers, and you have a potent combination to bring people personal freedoms and a growing economy.  Most of the advances labor has made in the United States were not made through government action, but through the action of unions of private workers."

Did you just advocate worker unions? FAKE LIBERTARIAN IS FAKE.
Also, I never advocated for the government to run our economy stupid.

"LOL? The areas of the United States that lack development tend to lack development because most cities developed near rivers, lakes, oceans, major waterways, or other conditions that are conducive to trade, commerce, industry, and production.  This is what attracted people and industry to these areas, not their left-leaning tendencies."

Ever notice the connection between red states and education? They rank low in education. Red states pay less tax dollars on education because they pay less taxes overall along with less money being allocated to education. If most of the population were highly educated, they would be able to create a better economy in their area regardless of their surroundings. All those factors you mention gives that area an advantage but it in no way the only necessary means to achieve a good economy. Ever wonder why a small island with little natural resources like Japan was more technologically advanced than a huge country with tons of resources like China during World War 2? Because the Japanese put more emphasis on education and almost their entire population had some form of high school or college education.

If it was up to the libertarians, education would be completely privatized and poorer people would not be able to gain a decent education. Just refer to the red states for example.

So far, you have brought nothing but jibberish to this discussion. You and your libertarian peeps are an embarrassment to mankind. Kindly shut the fuck up and get the fuck out my internets.



Name: Anonymous 2007-04-27 0:35 ID:EGYdYfkA

^ Meant to put butt buddies instead of peeps. My bad.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-28 23:37 ID:5SWZ82JS

Libertarian societies are the most advanced societies in the world. Just look at __________ and ___________ for example.

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