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"What a retarded example. Anybody could come out of poverty by having a job that pays 1.00 an hour over no job."
Well then oh shit, the free market is pulling hundreds of millions of people out of poverty? FUCK WE GOTTA GET RID OF THAT FUCKING FREE MARKET DON'T WE?
"The problem is that most people will be stuck at those low wage jobs and they would not be able to afford a decent education that could give them the skills to work at a higher paying job."
Only if the Chinese government squashes private development and economic growth. And again, plus, were it not for the evil capitalists stepping in, they would still be wallowing in squalor, misery, and poverty. I have strong confidence that if the Chinese government were to roll back its rigid control of personal activities in China that China would develop its economy at an unprecedented rate, and that its people would experiance a huge increase in prosperity and personal freedom.
"This is a huge problem since most libertarians advocate a private education system with little government involvement."
Being a moderate libertarian, I don't advocate a completely privatized education system. I *do* advocate experimentation with a voucher system, and then following this an evaluation of the merits of such a system. But of course, your definition of libertarianism is probably pretty much "zomg anarchist!1", so you wouldn't know shit about us moderate libertarians to begin with, would you?
"Keep in mind that China is not completely libertarian in their economy and that people over there are fighting for better pay and conditions like the Americans back in the early 1900's that would help them in the future."
And the Chinese government is getting in the way. Good pay and conditions result from a capitalistic society that is technologically advanced and, thanks to their market-based economy, has the tools, technology, and competitiveness necessary to create an abundance of wealth availible for anyone who will work for it. Combine this with workers' unions to help organize labor and negotiate good deals for workers, and you have a potent combination to bring people personal freedoms and a growing economy. Most of the advances labor has made in the United States were not made through government action, but through the action of unions of private workers.
"And I'm arguing that we would be worse off if there are too little government involvement in a free market economy using red states as my example."
LOL? The areas of the United States that lack development tend to lack development because most cities developed near rivers, lakes, oceans, major waterways, or other conditions that are conducive to trade, commerce, industry, and production. This is what attracted people and industry to these areas, not their left-leaning tendencies. Sorry, but you fail for complete ignorance of history. What a fucking retard.