The truth of the world

HAY GUYS! I'm in America! Theres all these weird people here. They're all trying to like work and do stuff. And every day they walk around to useless jobs which pay hardly
anything due to the gov stealing half their money and then corporations stealing the other half! BUT THEY KEEP WORKING ZOMG WTF. I stopped one on the street and asked him why he kept working if he was just working to make other people rich. but he was like "Dude, if I dont work i'll starve," because while speech is a right, barely, apparently staying alive isn't. So i was like, what kind of fucked up place is this!?

Way to rip off RATM and try to call it original.

Ive only heard 1 RATM song, and I thought they were some weird antiwar band

Did you know that like most working people in todays society are only like 1-2 paychecks away from being homeless, its pretty scary huh?
I blame it all on the Jew's though. (srsly)

Come on, the jew thing is cliche. Why does making food require work? Why is this world like this? We're entitled to live.

>>5
GTFO communist retard
srsly, "Why does making food require work?"
you gotta be the dumbest kid on 4chan

>>6
No one's a communist. I'm saying we should be able to alter reality so that we can live without having to sustain ourselves.

>>7
no, such a world would be what he christians call hell
we evolve through competition, so without it we would become apes again

>>we evolve through being slaves to corporations, so without them we would become apes again

fixed

>>9

You're a commie right?

>>10
No, I think food should rain from the skies and houses should build themselves.

What really bothers me about rightist people is that they think their money somehow magically disappear when they pay taxes.

>>12
It does, coz I cant use it

>>12
No, they just find it annoying when their tax dollars end up in welfare checks that will be used to do anything but help the poor.  They're annoyed to know that when they pay taxes the people of Congress may decide to give themselves a raise, for no goddam reason at all.  They're annoyed with the notion that their tax dollars will be used to perpetuate a shitty education system.  etc. etc.  The government is too bloated and too fucking retarded to have the right to half a person's income.

>>14
 Dont forget about Paying for that god forsaken war for Israel (Iraq).

>>14
The reason the rest of the world think US citizens are stupid might be because you don't pay nearly as much as any other country to the education system.

"Dude, if I dont work i'll starve,"

retranslate: if i dont suck dick for money, how the hell i will support my crack addiction?

>>14
"Congress may decide to give themselves a raise"
Like the president of a company may decide to fire 10, 50 or maybe even a 100 people just to get a bigger paycheck himself?
People in charge leach more on their workers than poor people leech on society.

>>17
So food is free?

>>18
"People in charge"
Let me rephrase that: Rich people.

>>18
If that's how you think you're a retard. If a company can fire workers and benefit from it then it means the workers were wasting their time and not doing anything useful. When it gets too expensive to mine coal from a certain region it's time to move on not whine about how it affects the community. Communities of poor people are like religions to some people, they made the mistake of investing everything into a dying industry and not saving so they can move somewhere else once the free ride is over, it's their fault, they made the mistake and I fail to see why single mothers should experience a tax hike to subsidise 100s of millions to some industry each year which does nothing for the economy.

>>21
If that's how you think you're a retard.

>>21
Is the goal of government to destroy suffering or is it to enforce a moral force over all, even at the cost of prosperity. Which of these is the goal of government? If you don't have prosperity, history will look back on your time as an age of darkness and suffering, can you claim that suffering is necessary and good? Or is the goal to make every human able to fulfill their dreams?

>>22
If that's how you think you're a retard. Because if you think you don't need proof to back up your assertions you must be retarded.

Case closed.


>>23
An economy weighed down by having to support failed industries will have less money to spend on welfare. Such a policy is not beneficial whatever way you look at it.

>>16
The point is the current education system is worthless.  I'd be more than happy to spend more money on education if it actually produced good results.  But as it is right now it's a steaming pile of shit.  When the system is reformed and can make good use of money then I'll be fine with paying taxes to support it.

>>25
You cant convince your politicians that the education system currently is worthless, thus theyre going to keep pumping money into it. I dont think its too good either, but then I think that you should just remember everything magically and not have to work to learn, but physics wont let me.

You want to talk about education problems and how it relates to America? Let me give a few words then.

On a governmental level, the education system is a problem we solve with short term planning and by throwing money at. Then when that oviously fails, more short term planning followed by blame, then more money. The broad curriculum is pretty much set in order to give the largest smattering of topics that is assumed to be needed, and is not always set by people who have actually taught. Not enough time is even alloted to make sure that the curriculum is taught correctly, especially when new standards say that there should be certain amounts of tests taken and random busywork. From there, blame falls to teachers.

Now, I have had good teachers and I have had terrible teachers, but with two exceptions, somehow I managed to get through and actually learn something. My family has a tradition of being teachers, so at the risk of weakening my argument, I tend to side with them as I know what they have to go through.

No, the main problem I think is that as a society we have built ourselves up to a point where we are 1 or 2 paychecks away from being on the streets because we have severely overextended ourselves financially. To afford the computers we are utilizing, the electricity, presumably the housing, and the internet... how much does this luxury cost us? Virtually everyone in my parents' classes come from homes where both parents overwork themselves to maintain the artificial standard of living that we all enjoy. As such, where is the prep work for these kids then? Do their parents buy them a book and read it to them, or get some form of enertainment they can use themselves so they can get a little rest? Personal experience says fuck no to the former, hell yes to the latter.

So while we trudge through our jobs to afford the 1800+ square foot house, pay for fast food, maybe our inefficient cars, and the giant TV's that are all status symbols to wear in lieu of pride, we don't try to offend. In the process, we just decide to ignore parts of the world that might offend us, because that works too. Then, as a result, we make other countries envious of our wealth and angry at our ignorance; let our government slide on things that we should raise our voices against, giving them just another inch of our liberty. And so it goes, this vicious little cycle, but hey, at least you're getting paid, right?

Please, add on to what I have written, correct me where I am wrong. I would love to figure out entirely where the cracks in Western Civilization are forming.

The problem is, is the artificial standard of living REALLY costing that much because it SHOULD or is it costing that much because of corruption and other practices that need to be done away with?

And really, if you dont have TVs and cars and stuff like that, you're considered poor. So are the middle class citizens scrambling to try to act like theyre middle class when they're not, or is the middle class shrinking and having to work harder to stay in the middle class?

And the teachers are sometimes at fault. For one thing, there should be no "busy work," as you get absolutely nothing out of it. As far as things like history, students are taught too many little trivial details that they forget in a year. Instead, they need to pound the general eras and ideas and such into the kids' heads so they don't look like idiots when they don't know the difference between a communist and a socialist or something. You can't make them memorize a huge amount of minute details but the general specifics can be hammered into their heads.

"The problem is, is the artificial standard of living REALLY costing that much because it SHOULD or is it costing that much because of corruption and other practices that need to be done away with?"

No, that's not the problem.
Standard of living is too high because there're people in other countries who can do the same job as you do and they can do it for less money and faster.
Many jobs don't require education and thus the western worker can't compete with asians who lived in a communist shithole and are used to be poor as shit.
So until everyone accepts free market economy and has the same standard of living the western countries will have to lower theirs.
I say we should speed that up and allow the poor people to immigrate.

Do not listen to >>29, he is high on crack and doped up on coke and smack. Poor, uneducated people cannot be businessmen like the middle class of Amerika. And as long as we reject free trade policies, we keep our standard of living high and theirs low. >>29 is likely a communist from the former Soviet bloc countries.

>>24
Oh, you want proof? Judging from 21's statement I thought we where just making crazy things up and throwing at each other.

>>27
>>28
Well if they spend more than they earn they deserve to suffer. There are no cracks in western society because the mature middle class professionals who run all the major industries never act as stupid as the rest of the population. Standards of professionalism has been slowly increasing parallel to the west for decades, the difference is that the west is in a state of perpetually improving technology. No non-western scientists can match the standards of those in IBM and other epitomes of progress and if any do they usually emigrate from their shitty countries and become western. You will find that capitalism is stronger than nationalism, that's why only poor people care about their race etc..

>>29
Somewhat true. Globalisation would be a good thing, but there are certain political practicalities that interfere in the utility of such an endeavor. The first being the socialism that has covertly swept across the world and turned ethnic groups into ranting mobs, you see it with the mexican immigrants when they chant "WE'RE TAKING OVER" and "IT BELONGS TO US ANYWAY". I think someone said here a while ago that any government system is 1% system 99% people. People need to reach a certain level of maturity before globalisation would work.

>>30
Have you ever met the middle classes of other countries? I would say their middle classes reach the level of maturity needed to run a business about 15 years later than western counterparts. They have no charisma and very little initiative, they can only be expected to perform mundane repetitive tasks and only with a pinch of salt as the manager of a large firm. A hard working westerner gives every employer a hard on and contrary to socialist demagogues no one gives a fuck about culture, just so long as they wear a suit have a smile on their face and actually know what they are doing they are westerners and reliable employees.

>>31
Wrong, this is serious business.

The truth of the matter is that most middle class people aren't smart.  They're not retarded, but they don't have the foresight to plan for anything that isn't half a year away.  They don't do any research either.  I'm sure that less than 5% of middle class consumers ever bother to look up interest rates or read the fine print when they sign up for a credit card, loan, or anything else.    Middle class people made too many assumptions about the future like, "I'm sure th coal mine will be open forever", and, "hey my job at the car factory will never be replaced by a robot!".  And I sincerely doubt any of them ever consider inflation.
Middle Class America is disappearing because it's too complacent and unwilling to adapt. 

>>33

Then it goes back to education and >>27's post. 

>>33
The middle class is too simplified a term. It could refer to someone who possesses knowledge in theoretical physics that only 10s of people in the world also understand, or it could refer to some pseudo-intellectual liberal freelance "writer".

>>34
Why didn't you notice this?