fuck you topic creator. people aren't poor because they're lazy and stupid. i've seen smart people that can work 12 hours straight of manual labor and nobody gives them a chance because they're not white faggots.
>>5
because every modern soceity is somewhat Capitalist, hell even the Soviet Union wasn't Communist,they sound more National Socialist to me
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Anonymous2007-01-30 15:05
>>13
Communism and socialism are both forms of Hegelian-fascism. That would be the best way to describe it.
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Anonymous2007-01-30 15:30
Limited resources. End of story.
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Anonymous2007-01-30 16:49
>>14
Hegelian-fascism? Can you point me to a wiki-article or something similar where this topic is adressed? Because i have never heard that expression before and i assume you didnt pull it from your own ass.
And about poverty. A large majority in the world own a abysmal minority of the wealth, while a microscopic minority own a almost everything. These two are intertwined. How can a minority that constantly shrinks own a ever increasing fraction of the worlds wealth? The answer is the same to why poverty exist.
One caveat though, the poorest people of today are better of than the poorest people of yesterday, the negative effects of being poor decreases with time and progress. And some people believe this is an argument for the present system, that those worse of are better of than they were before, they increase in quantity though...
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Anonymous2007-01-31 10:51
>>16
Ok I'll be honest with you. "Hegelian-fascist" is a term I compesed myself. It wasn't pulled out of my ass though as it has a basis. Hegel's links to marxism and fascism are well known.
Hegel was an obscurant, a fundamental for any form of totalitarianism. He also had all the trademarks that passed on to marxists and other pseudo-philosophers.. He believed he had reached a totalized "epitomy of knowledge" which became the fulcrum for all his arguments hand picking the arguments needed to back it up in a blatantly obscurant manner. This belief in proto-omniscience spilled over into marx and later fascist thinkers. Sort of like a cult which claims to be based on science and has huge unfathomable proofs that would take years to unravel in order to disprove to the point where it is impossible to disprove to the ordinary indoctrinated follower.
I call it hegelian-fascism as fascism is specifically a broader set of ideals that in fact encompass marxist derived ideologies along with fascism itself.
>>19
No, it has been obfuscated, since most people are not scholars on Hegel and cant asses the validity in >>17 :s claims. Its like me (a pedologist) saying that libertarianism and nazism is based on histosols. See what i did there?
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Anonymous2007-01-31 13:59
>>20
Histosols are irrelevant to the discussion. Marxism and fascism are both obscurant totalitarian ideals. If you think totalitarianism isn't relevant to a discussion on the causes of povery you are either trolling or very very dim.
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Anonymous2007-01-31 14:00
>>20
Actually histosols are related to the causes of poverty, they are just not related to the performance of political philosophies.
Poverty is opposite to what? OMGRICH! For the Rich to be 'rich' there needs to be poverty.
For the happy to be happy, there has to be emo kids. Otherwise, how do you know you are happy?
It's relative!
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Anonymous2007-02-01 17:07
Poverty exists ultimately because it is the nature of the human animal and by extension, society to operate in a stratified manner. Meaning there are multiple classes, i.e., always a "master" and a "slave" class. (Modern popular ideologies tend to distort this greatly. but it exists and it always exists.) There are multiple classes because there are non-lethal conflicts and contests for resources among members of a given human "tribe"; the losers always end up with less.
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Anonymous2007-02-01 18:32
Most modern western democracies have extremely low levels of poverty. Poverty in the west is due to crime or just sheer laziness rather than class systems, state oppression and economic mismanagement.
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Xel2007-02-01 19:11
>>27
ONLY BECAUSE THEY STOLE FROM POOR STARVING BLACK BABIES YOU FUCKING RACIST, THE IMPERIAL MILITARY JUGGERNAUT OF SWITZERLAND OPPRESSED MILLIONS APON MILLIONS OF STARVING BLACK BABIES YOU FUCKISNDG FUCKTER IOSNRGHD;IUTXJHR;
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Anonymous2007-02-02 0:26
>>28
The sins of the white man can never be cleansed.
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Anonymous2007-02-02 1:13
i took a bath. i feel much better.
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Anonymous2007-02-02 3:07
>>29
Baby rape (check out south africa). The sins of the black man can never be cleansed.