A poll of Pol

Do you believe that government's responsibility is to perfect society or do you believe in the free market?

>>40
Of course businesses do anything to increase profits. That's why if they can do everything excpet disobey the law then they will strive to improve the economy through good hard work. Businesses provide more motivation to do good than socialism ever would, thus libertarians are capitalist, but place everything under the preservation of liberty through justice. Justice is generally determinned through a democracy. Thus a capitalism regulated by a democracy, which is pretty much the most widely used and efficient system of governemnt the world has. All thanks to libertarianism.

>>41
>>Justice is generally determined through a democracy.
you're gonna have to elaborate on this

>>democracy, which is pretty much the most widely used and efficient system
lol, this is a bit of generalisation. Many countries call themselves democracies but are actually flawed or poor ones or have since become anarchies or totalitarian regimes. Few reach the high status of "well-run" democracy.

According to this source from wiki, half the world is still "not free"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Freedom_House_world_map_2007.png

 

>>42
Justice all boils down to the general opinion. If you force your idea of justice on other people they will feel oppressed. Democracy doesn't solve everyone's problems, but it does allow a general consensus to the reached which solves most problems which is a good method of discoverring what kind of justice best fits the country.

I believe there are countries that are still consumed by stupidity, corruption and ignorance and I call them proto-democracies. My idea of a proto-democracy is a nation like Iran, Nicaragua, Nigeria or 19th century UK. You probably think the US is a totalitarianism or something, but believe me if you were living in a totalitarianism or an anarchy for that matter you wouldn't just be babbling in a typical whining liberal manner, you'd know it.

In that map, generally orange = proto-democracy, green = democracy.

>>43
>>Justice all boils down to the general opinion. If you force your idea of justice on other people they will feel oppressed.
By this definition oppression can be a form of justice; are you just saying the majority is always right? This statement flies in the face of >>40 "preservation of liberty through justice".

>>but it does allow a general consensus to the reached which solves most problems
that's not how a modern democracy works. You do realise that unless there is a referendum, the general public have no direct power over decisions that affect the country after elections in  every democratic regime in the world? The only things keeping politicians in line are the fact that parliament is re-elected every few years, and the press (assuming of course there is the rare freedom of press in that country). A modern democracy doesn't run on consensus, it runs on power checks and balances.

I am thinking you understand neither libertarianism nor democracy

>>44
I'm looking at it fro mthe practical standpoint. It is all very well to say it doesn't matter what the majority thinks and claim it is just to force your opinion on people, but that didn't work in Cambodia, Somalia, Yugoslavia, Palestine and countless instances in history and undoubtedly the future so why do you expect people to bend over and accept your magical super happy ideal?

Democracy runs on power checks and balances, therefore the only way a person can gain power is through appealing to the people. Not 100% efficient, but then someone who whines constantly about things not being perfect doesn't have anything important to add so I fail to see what that has to do with anything.

I am thinking you like to claim democracies are despotisms, because if people don't like what you have to say well then they must be completely evil and have nothing to do with good ideas like democracy.

>>1 Free market.

4 Hate-Crime Beating Teens Get Probation

LONG BEACH, Calif. —  Four of nine black teenagers convicted in the racially charged beating of three white women on Halloween were sentenced to probation Friday.

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http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Feb03/0,4670,HalloweenBeatings,00.html

This is why large gatherings of monkeys should be banned.