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Ideal Health Care

Name: Anonymous 2007-01-28 13:01

The problem with even a deregulated capitalist health care system is that a capitalist health care system wants to make money. The system itself isn't interested in a population of healthy individuals. A capitalist health care system loves unnecessary procedures, drugs, operations(as long as they don't get them sued, but there's malpractice insurance for that). A capitalist health care system loves drugs that prolong their illnesses, because they have to sell more of them. A capitalist health care system loves things like routine circumcision, because they get paid for each operation. A capitalist health care system will do anything that gives them profit, and, contrary to what some people seem to think, profit often doesn't have anything to do with raising the quality of life of anyone but the side profiting.

Meanwhile, a socialist health care system wants people to be healthy. It would love a cheap, one-shot procedure that cures a disease utterly(something that is likely never to come again out of a capitalist health care system) It wants people to be healthy, and it is encouraged to improve itself not just to keep the public's faith, but to increase efficiency and reduce costs(the opposite of a private health care system).

Of course, if these measures aren't enough to reduce costs, then a socialist health care system will have to

do more, infringing on our god-given right to kill ourselves slowly and painfully. It might even be tempted

to kill off unhealthy people rather than treat them. There's also the problem that building hospitals costs money too, and increasing capacity means there will be more patients who need treatment, decreasing the likelihood that it will get done.

Now, private health care, being motivated by making money, has..well..money. No surprise there. The trick lies in getting benefits of socialism(health care driven to benefit the individual) along with the benefits of capitalism(Moneys, yay!), with as few of their problems as possible.

Now, the majority of the health industry's income comes from two things, insurance companies, and drug money. Insurance companies are capitalism's version of socialized health care. Only they're actually stealing money, because they're out to keep as much of it as they can.(Arr) So we're already ahead on that one. So how do we pull in the income that you can only get from legalized exorbitantly priced and aggressively marketed drugs?

No, seriously, how. Drug companies are fucking evil masterminds.

Well, having the taxes that come from smoking, drinking, and using other unhealthy drugs go toward the system that researches and treats the problems that come from them is a nice start, and makes perfect sense even by a capitalistic standpoint. Raising the taxes to a point where the people who demand them can't use them would just be utterly foolish.

But that's probably not enough, and you'll still have the rich people who think they deserve better, and will continue to give private health care a market. As well, new technology costs money to implement, and so does increasing the capacity of the institution itself. Well, why not allow people to make their own donations? Rich folk can buy their local hospital an extra wing or two, new equipment, whatever they need, and in addition to a nice charitable tax writeoff, they get to help ensure their future health, as they'll be more likely to trust a place they've invested in. Woohoo. Everybody wins.

Name: Anonymous 2007-01-28 13:10

>>1
I agree with you on drug companies, but I live in country where there is both public and private health care. Public health care doesn't care shit about citizens it's underfunded and devoted to just keeping citizens alive enough to work. Their service is non-existant, their equipment is ancient and they even suck on hygieny. Only poor people will go public hospitals here. I believe that problem with public healthcare is that it's government owned and funded. Thus they don't have to compete at all. In private sector competition is fierce and if you treat your patients like shit and use ancient equipment you're not gonna last long.

Name: Anonymous 2007-01-28 13:56

>>2
But isn't the primary problem that it's underfunded? They *are* competing with the private hospitals, who have more money and can pay better doctors, buy better equipment, etc. The problem seems to be that the public health care is competing and losing, due to it not being given enough priority.

Though, it's not really surprising. People don't like taxes, and if they already have to pay for insurance, they won't see the connection to their own health and well being, so the tax will be as low as it can conceivably be without dismantling the system altogether...

Name: Anonymous 2007-01-28 14:20

>>3
We have pretty high taxes here. It's only underfunded cause most of those taxes go to excellent public school system, maintenance, ridiculously high governmental wages and also alarming amount goes into what you could somewhat corruption ie. personal projects of certain important government persons. I believe public healthcare doesn't motivate doctors to actually care for their patients. I mean in private healthcare patients = customers, so their reputation is very important, but in public healthcare it doesn't really matter as they get paid anyway.

Name: Anonymous 2007-01-28 15:53

Socialized health care has killed people who needed immediate care and were unable to get it because of the bureaucracy that pays no attention to the individual.

What you fail to recognize is that a capitalist system drives innovation and improvement. Socialized programs have no incentives for improvement, and so always provide bare minimum care.

Name: Anonymous 2007-01-28 16:22

>>5
In most countries with public healthcare also private healthcare is available. Atleast in Europe. Banning private healthcare would be fucking stupid.

Name: Anonymous 2007-01-29 1:36

Privatized health care has killed people who needed immediate care and were unable to get it because of the bureaucracy that pays no attention to the poor.

What you fail to recognize is that a socialist system guarantees a certain level of treatment. Privatized programs are driven by profit, and so always provide care to those who can afford it.

Name: Anonymous 2007-01-29 3:43

The comparison can be made with public and private schools. The former suck on average but are way, way cheaper and cater for many more ppl.

Name: Anonymous 2007-01-29 6:28

>>1
tl;dr

keep it short faggot

Name: Anonymous 2007-01-29 14:34

>>9
Capitalists waste money on making more money and don't care about you unless you can give them some.
If you give the same amount of money to someone who isn't trying to make more, they can do more and better things with it.

Name: Anonymous 2007-01-29 15:48

>>10
People want to enjoy a decent standard of living and luxuries and it is deeply important to them. If justice is maintained, making money can only lead to the furtherance of good. Most criticisms of capitalism can be traced to crime already present as a result of human nature, corruption caused by illogical government policy concerning the enforcement of justice, corruption caused by government intervention in the economy and corruption caused by foreigners. I invite criticism which cannot be coverred by the mentionned factors.

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