Should Hilary become the next President?

I'm not American but I think that Hilary Clinton should become the next president because the fundamentalist Krazy KKKristian neocon Zionist war mongers have terrorized the world for too long, Hilary would also probably allow stem cell research and besides I have always thought she is a cute MILF ;) and it is about time America had it's first female president. If Hilary was president America and the world would be a better place.

>>40
Read The Audacity of Hope. He talks about pretty much every issue, and his plan to fix it. And having a plan already makes him a lot better than most Democrats.

>>41
By calling bushes social security policy "social darwinism"? Is whipping up extremist liberal paranoia and talking like a child the qualities you look for in a leader? IT's also obvious he doesn't care about the human right of the 2nd amendment. This is the reason why democrats always choose center left leaders, because if they didn't their party would be overrun by proto-socialists.

>>42
"By calling bushes social security policy "social darwinism"?"

That is basically what it is.

"Is whipping up extremist liberal paranoia and talking like a child the qualities you look for in a leader?"

Still have yet to see any examples of this.
"When we send our young men and women into harm's way, we have a solemn obligation not to fudge the numbers or shade the truth about why they're going, to care for their families while they're gone, to tend to the soldiers upon their return, and to never, ever go to war without enough troops to win the war, secure the peace, and earn the respect of the world."
I see what you mean, I hear children talking like that ALL the time.

"IT's also obvious he doesn't care about the human right of the 2nd amendment."

Wrong. Gun control != taking away the right to keep and bear arms.

>>39
Obama supports banning semi-automatic firearms and stringent gun control laws restricting/violating the 2nd amendment. 
http://www.alphecca.com/mt_alphecca_archives/002894.html

Xel is compromising on some freedoms to support wiminz rights to kill fetuses, among others, even though he critisized me for expressing the possibility that I might do the same, but for the republican party rather than the democratic party.  Hypocrisy anyone? Again, "do as I say, not as I do". 

GOGOGOGO XEL! SUPPORT OBAMA/CLINTON 08!

what freedom is xel compromising freedoms by supporting abortion?

>>44 I would not vote for Obama since it would be mighty greasy of me to prioritize non-financial liberalism over financial liberalism (I count the purchasing of guns as a financial right that applies to all wares but still feel unconvinced that carrying rights are entirely unproblematic). I would, if it turned out that he was the lesser evil (libertarian meme) of any candiadate promote him as the best shot for libertarians and democrats alike. But I can not be sure of that yet, of course.
>>45 The freedom of oblivious faux-libertarians and christianists to tell women when byproducts of their bodies are worth more than them.

Protip: If you have to vote for an ultra-liberal ghetto trash crowd pleaser, support Obama over Hillary. Though I strongly suggest you go with Kerry for a while. If this is about getting a black president, I don't give a shit, just don't vote in a black president who has all the worst qualities of a liberal otherwise it will stain history, wait until Obama matures a little.

Obama is a tragic mulatto

>>46
 o alrite, i just needed to get that cleared.

>>1 here. Sorry for my ignorant comments. Hilary and her husband are both Zionist enemies of America. Didn't Bill once say he would take up arms to defend Israel against the Arabs?!?

Being from the UK, in hindsight, I would say never let a woman become President, we have a female head of State, the Queen and we had a female Prime Minister Thatcher who have wrecked our country. Thatcher was elected as an MP by predominatly Jewish voters, after Israel caused the oil shocks in the 1970's the blight-wing decided that the left was to blame for the economic crisis and it was decided that everything had to be privatised, so Thatcher did so and wrecked our country, also that bitch Thatcher gave away our national sovereignty to the EU. Fuck Labour and Tory and Liberal bitchs we need a National Revolution to destroy capitalism. I live in a supposedly rich tory retirement town and yet I can't walk down the street without being harrassed by agressive beggars and can't leave the house at night without being attacked by drunken yobs, the government allows homelessness to exist just to say "if you step out of line this will happen to you" and it allows yobs to terrorize people into accepting new laws that restrict our freedoms. The government are all powerful and could end these problems tommorow if they wanted to. They are laughing in our faces. Comrades we need a revolution to destroy the Blair regime and establish a people's republic like North Korea or Cuba.

>>50
UKKK! FUCK YEAH!

I still think Obama is the least bad candidate the dems or reps could nominate. I don't like his gun politics but at least he isn't a hawkish pro-war like Hilary or wants to make it illegal for minors to play M games like Hilolry or any other of her crazy ideas. And the Republicans don't have a single decent candidate, and I'm not voting green or libertarian until we have some form of runoff voting. Basically Obama>Vilsack>>Hilary>>>>>>>Republican candidates.

>>52
I'd vote for most of the republican candidates before I'd vote for Obama.

>>52
Yeah, Hillary sure is one crazy bitch...  I don't agree with your support for Obama though.  I'd vote libertarian before I'd vote for any of those assholes.

>>46
"I would not vote for Obama since it would be mighty greasy of me to prioritize non-financial liberalism over financial liberalism (I count the purchasing of guns as a financial right that applies to all wares but still feel unconvinced that carrying rights are entirely unproblematic)."

Read this then: 
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/factsheets/read.aspx?ID=18

"I would, if it turned out that he was the lesser evil (libertarian meme) of any candiadate promote him as the best shot for libertarians and democrats alike."

Why would you promote an asshole? Promote a libertarian in his place. 

>>52
"and I'm not voting green or libertarian until we have some form of runoff voting"

Why the fuck not? You voting for a libertarian candidate rather than a democratic candidate is simply not likely to sway the election.  If the democrats win, they will win whether you vote for them or not.  If you want to make your vote count, cast a protest vote for the libertarian party.

How about this? Let's hire some nameless bum to be the president. I prefer a goat though...

>>56 a goat? why not a goatse?

>>56 Or how about a Newt?

Gingrich 2008!

>>54 I will take all statistics on the gun issue with a pinch of salt, whatever the source or the message. Correlation =/= Causation. The numbers are clear and you deserve respect for posting them, but color me unconvinced.

>>55
Because that's just what I find best. With Obama especially because I am not forfeiting many of my views. Right now there is shit on my plate, and I'd rather order the cheeseburger and get it than order the worlds best pizza when I know there is no chance that they will make it, because a cheeseburger is a lot better than a steaming pile of shit. Sorry that is kind of a stupid analogy but I think you get the point. In 2004 I would've voted green because kerry was like a bowl of piss soup.

Regardless, I will try to do as much as I can to a better voting system.

You all suck shit. Hilary would be awesome.
>>60
You're too pussy to actually vote for who you want.

>>61
That's not a very compelling argument. Maybe that is enough to sway the ordinary Hillary supporter, but not someone with an IQ over 90.

>>62 I kinda think more stupid people reject Hilary instantaneously than favor her instantaneously. It is just that statement, I'm not implying anything else by it.

I'm just gonna bump http://www.friesian.com/ that site as well because it contains a lot of facts. It has a tendency to slant towards harangues and acerbity but then again all libertarians do.

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>>61
RAAAWWWWR INTERNET TOUGH GUY DOES NOT FORGIVE

>>63
Obsolete 200 years ago. They are all Kant re-iterators, in fact Kant predicted that peopel would redefine his discoveries in a more concice manner, but I bet he never expected people to claim the credit for his work in the process of doing so. It is as pointless as re-inventing mathematics.

If you are not a marxist or arrogant you would buckle down and study logic, political science and psychology. This is the utilisation of Kant's ideas and the equivalent in point as utilising mathematics to explore cartesian geometry.

Nader.

If Hilary and Jeb run for Pres, I'm going to Canada.

Jeb won't running for president.

Hilary?  No way I will vote for she-male Hilary!

USA is FUCKED!

>>60
"Because that's just what I find best. With Obama especially because I am not forfeiting many of my views."

You should vote for the best candidate of them all, not the lesser of two evils, in any circumstance.

"Right now there is shit on my plate, and I'd rather order the cheeseburger and get it than order the worlds best pizza when I know there is no chance that they will make it, because a cheeseburger is a lot better than a steaming pile of shit."

Your vote isn't going to sway the election, so there is no reason not to cast it for your very favorite candidate.

"Sorry that is kind of a stupid analogy but I think you get the point. In 2004 I would've voted green because kerry was like a bowl of piss soup."

I understand what you are saying, but I am still unconvinced voting for a major party lesser of the two evil's candidate will sway the election.  If I thought my one vote would sway the election to a lesser of the two evil's candidate, I might, but how often is this the case? Seriously almost never.  Certainly not often enough to warrant your average guy to vote for the lesser of two evils rather than whomever his favorite candidate is.