>>85
No shit, I never said every libertarian thinks the same, I AM a libertarian, a left-libertarian. I was addressing the libertarians here, which do all seem to think pretty much the same, hardcore right-libertarians.
>>83
"I think speech and press control of any kind should be non-existant on private property. The only exceptions to this rule would be some situation in which fraud or force is directly harming an individual. "
Well ok then, I agree, and AFAIK that is how it is currently.
>>83
"First of all, I don't see a shred of proof that 'sensible gun control' works. Until you proove as much, you have no case at all. Even in that situation, I still say if you feel unsafe around other people with guns, buy a gun yourself, and get over your irrational gun-phobia."
"We also collected data on whether owners of concealed handguns are more likely to use them in committing violent crimes. The rarity of these incidents is reflected in Florida's statistics: More than 300,000 concealed- handgun licenses were issued between October 1, 1987 and December 31, 1945, but only five violent crimes involving permitted pistols were committed in this period. And none of these resulted in fatalities. That's of 1% misuse rate for permitted pistols in an eight year period or LESS than 1/1000 of 1% misuse rate per year."
From:
http://www.largo.org/Lott.html
Concealed handguns licenses reduce crime, and is sensible. So is not issuing firearms to those with a criminal record or a history of mental illness, which I think we can agree on is a good idea.
I don't have gun-phobia, painting all opponents as afraid of guns is silly. I have guns-in-the-hands-of-criminals-or-crazy-people-phobia, and whatever we can do to reduce the number of guns that fall into their hands while not reducing guns that fall into lawful peoples hands, I am for.
>>84
"Explain. Give examples."
You just gave one, absolute free speech and press. During the civil war northern newspapers published forged documents claiming them to be signed by Lincoln and posted details about the northern army and in general undermined the war effort. Lincoln suppressed these newspapers. This is a case where limiting free press was necessary and beneficial. And no, I don't think modern day suppression of civil liberties is justifiable, quite the opposite, Bush is using a small perpetual war to control people, and shit like the Patriot Act and the Military Commission Act are absolute shit and need to be repealed. And as I've said numerous times, yelling bomb in an airport or fire in a crowded public place should be allowed to be suppressed. I am for very limited forms of limiting civil liberties like the ones I just stated.