>>227
"Like I give a shit. This is not the incarnation of AA this thread is based on- and like I've constantly outlined- this form of AA was created to deter implict racism in hiring practices, period."
LOL! Deter racism by racially discriminating?
"You can sit here nitpicking and spell checking all you want- but face facts: You have no proof that AA insures work for unmeritable minor over a meritable white person (white people: your only concern)."
Actually, I do have proof that that has happened. In fact, it happened at a local university. The university had an affirmative action program, and a young white girl in my area got discriminated against based on nothing but her race. She subsequently filed a lawsuit against the university, and won. (The university is a public university.)
"So your "it's not fair unmeritable people get ahead" sounds like a bunch of bunk bullshit."
See above, retard.
>>226
"Are you just completely fucking retarded? Of course hard work is needed for success and you're just straight up 11 kinds of stupid if you thought I was inferring that it wasn't needed."
Really? So I'm stupid because I thought you where saying hard work isn't necessary for success when you said the following quote:
'Refute my dick in your mouth, faggot. America isn't a meritocracy. Therefore, "hard work" isn't needed for success.'
Ahahahaha.
"I really wonder how hard the Paris Hilton's and the George W. Bush's of this world worked. You really think these people deserve their "success"?"
Paris Hilton and GWB are two very different stories. Bush was a businessman who graduated from Yale, and incidentally had higher grades than Kerry during much of his schooling there.
In the case of Paris Hilton? No, she certainly didn't deserve it - but in her case, the person whose rights are in question are not hers, they are her parents. Whether or not she deserves what she got is completely beside the point - her rich parents can and should be allowed to give her all the money they want, seeing as how it is their money anyways.
"You can have any degree you want, but if you're too fat, too black, too anything-- you just might get passed up for someone else."
Yes, there's a chance you'll get discriminated against. There's a bigger chance I'll be discriminated because I'm white than that you would be discriminated because you are black though (government affirmative action programs). Or, well, there WOULD have been, anyway, had we not abolished them.
"What you're not getting is that there is clear difference between the way things should be and the way they actually are."
Yes. People SHOULD be allowed to do whatever the fuck they want, as long as they aren't infringing upon the rights of other people. Unfortunately, this is not exactly the way things are.
"Discrimination sucks, yeah, but you have to deal with reality on reality's terms here...making it so that no one is ever discriminated against has proven an utter failure. Google "racial disparity" if you don't believe me."
I've already said and explained away racial disparities in education and the economy. People of different ethnicities have different cultures, raise their children differently, etc. This all has consequences with far reaching effects on a given person's future. This is not something an INDIVIDUAL couldn't overcome (because of course some do), but it is something present.
"If everyone is a victim of discrimination at some point- then that about as equal as it's gonna get."
Well, good thing the supreme court is full of justices who realize what a racist piece of trash you are.
"Part of this- is dismantling white privilege, which no matter what you say, definately exists and has always existed."
I disagree. This has not been proven, either.
"This is entire argument is about a bunch of white people who still want to be treated like "oh so holy white people" because of the perverse and sick notion that they work harder than any other race."
It might not necessarilly be that either. I think racial disparity has more to do with cultural differences than anything else, although hard work may indeed have something to do with it as well.
"What is there to refute, really? The defintion of "Hard Work"? The definition of "success"? Of "Merit"? Come on now, Grow up and argue the points or stay the fuck out of the thread."
My statement. You made several allegations that you never bothered to support or back up. If you don't do as much, I think it is somewhat stupid to assume people will take you seriously (and clearly they aren't, by and large).