Affirmative Action Banned!

My state (Michigan) has wisely followed in the foosteps of California and banned racist/sexist affirmative action programs in Michigan, that would have discriminated against people based on nothing but their gender or the color of their skin, all in the name of promoting equality.  

It passed by a pretty wide margin 58% - 42% of the vote.. or, another way of looking at it: 

2,137,574  ---  YES on stopping AA
1,552,459  ---  NO on stopping AA

Hopefully this'll spread like wildfire throughout the rest of the states. 

I'm of Irish and Native American background, and in my opinion, Affirmative Action is bullshit.  I don't want people to give me a job because of my family, I want to get the job because I'm the most qualified applicant for the position.  Think of it like this:   Would you rather be the token, or would you rather be the person who contributed.

>>121
I feel the same way, but assholes like AC just won't shut the fuck up. Frankly I think AC is actually a racist pretending to be retarded, acting like an asshole and implying that black people need special treatment in order to be equal.

AC is just a retard who can't grasp simple concepts, or possibly just a dumb troll.

>>118

K, that's cool. Except I'm not just one of those "pro-affirmative action people" obviously. My opinion on the matter of equality and the inherant fallacy of reverse discrimination merely extends itself into AA because it's the only instance that I've seen where whites are discriminated against. The very notion of a 'wipe the slate clean' style of racial harmony is a fallacy, as well. It's not equality that'll heal us; it's justice. And whatever discrimination whites indure due to AA is entirely justified due to the racial disparity in this "free, fair, democratic" country. 

>>119

So...what? I still don't understand how you automatically assume I'm unemployed. Are you sure you're not a racist?

>>121
>>122

The notion is cute and novel, no doubt. But there's are white people sitting in offices knowing full well they are unworthy of their positions and no one is discussing that. Just take a look at the president. You don't even know the meaning of the word "token".

My implication isn't that blacks need special treatment. It's that if there's going to be unchecked discrimination in this country, then for anyone to be truly equal- whites are going to have to be victims of that too. Blacks and others minorities are victims of it because of instances in history and perpetuating cultural memes. As a part of dismantling white privilege; whites have to be included in that.

People have been pushing the 'equality/love your neighbor' stuff for ages and if you take a good look at the sentiments and statistics you'll realize that it's not working. People, in the end, don't care for equality per se'. They care about some notion of justice. If you can't wrap your head around, then too bad. Go live in the weeaboo matrix, or whatever the fuck you nerds do.

>>124
"K, that's cool. Except I'm not just one of those "pro-affirmative action people" obviously."

That doesn't appear obvious to me.  In fact, quite the opposite appears obvious to me:  you -are- one of those 'pro-affirmative action people.'

"And whatever discrimination whites indure due to AA is entirely justified due to the racial disparity in this "free, fair, democratic" country."

No it isn't.  The test averages on various tests for applying for jobs are generally, though not always lower than other races.  What does this translate into? It translates into worse performance in the job market.  Your racial disparity is not because of discrimination, it is because of lack of qualification, intelligence, or hard work.  The tests given have a strong correlation to success.  The fact that there are fewer successful black people on average in the job market more than likely has something to do with the fact that there are fewer successful black people on average in standardized testing. 

>>124
"The notion is cute and novel, no doubt. But there's are white people sitting in offices knowing full well they are unworthy of their positions and no one is discussing that."

"Just take a look at the president."

Whether or not he is good at running the office is redundant.  If he got elected, he gets the job, period.

"My implication isn't that blacks need special treatment."

Yes it is.

"It's that if there's going to be unchecked discrimination in this country, then for anyone to be truly equal- whites are going to have to be victims of that too."

Thus, you are saying that black people are unable to be equal without institutionalized reverse discrimination to help them out.

"Blacks and others minorities are victims of it because of instances in history and perpetuating cultural memes."

If someone doesn't perform well in the modern world, it is more often than not due to their own decisions.

"As a part of dismantling white privilege; whites have to be included in that."

There is no such thing as 'white privilege'.

"People have been pushing the 'equality/love your neighbor' stuff for ages and if you take a good look at the sentiments and statistics you'll realize that it's not working."

'Working'? Oh, I guess equality before the law and having a colorblind government doesn't 'work' for you.

>>125

"That doesn't appear obvious to me.  In fact, quite the opposite appears obvious to me:  you -are- one of those 'pro-affirmative action people.'"

Who's cares what doesn't appear obvious to you? You're a fucking moron. You don't have the ability to grasp the obvious.

No it isn't.  The test averages on various tests for applying for jobs are generally, though not always lower than other races.  What does this translate into? blah blah blah, blacks are genetically inferior

A Wyatt Man, is that you? Who dug you out of the race thread? We've been over this a hundred times already. Go back to stormfront already, Grand Wizarudo.

>>126

Whether or not he is good at running the office is redundant.  If he got elected, he gets the job, period.

Ok, I'm going to pretend that you can't apply this same logic to some "naturally underqualified nigger" and that you just have a multiple personality disorder.

Yes it is.

No. It's not.

Thus, you are saying that black people are unable to be equal without institutionalized reverse discrimination to help them out.

The reason you think that is because you have an affixiation with blacks and a persecution complex when it comes to your race. I am referring to the greater racial harmony at large.

This extends to all races. If there are any instances of discrimination in this country, then whites can not be "special" or of a different caste. They have be discriminated against just like everyone else if they want to be treated as equals and void from condemnation for the actions of their ancestors. Equality through even-handed justice.

If someone doesn't perform well in the modern world, it is more often than not due to their own decisions.

History says otherwise.

There is no such thing as 'white privilege'.

History says otherwise. Only a white person, fully in support of white privilege and of whites being in some holy 'non-discriminatory' caste, would utter 'there's no such thing as white privilege'. You might as well try to convice one that racism and discrimination doesn't exist. Good luck, fuckbrain.

'Working'? Oh, I guess equality before the law and having a colorblind government doesn't 'work' for you.

That's the point. It's not working for the people it claims to be working for and if you bothered to research racial disparity you'd realize that things are actually getting worse. Of course it works for you, stupid: You're white.

Thus, you are saying that black people are unable to be equal without institutionalized reverse discrimination to help them out.

By the way, you fucking dummy...

The term "reverse discrimination" implies that whites can not and should not be discriminated against and that it is 'they' who reserve the right of discrimination. Your racist sentiments are all through this thread. Are you the same guy who keep us updated on "slackjaw biglipped nigger" news on /WorldNews?

>>127
"Who's cares what doesn't appear obvious to you? You're a fucking moron. You don't have the ability to grasp the obvious. "

I think it is you who doesn't have the ability to grasp the obvious.  You support affirmative action.  You are pro-affirmative action.

>>128
"The term "reverse discrimination" implies that whites can not and should not be discriminated against-"

Nobody should be discriminated against.  That includes white people.

"Your racist sentiments are all through this thread. Are you the same guy who keep us updated on "slackjaw biglipped nigger" news on /WorldNews?"

No idea what you are talking about. 

>>127

"Ok, I'm going to pretend that you can't apply this same logic to some "naturally underqualified nigger" and that you just have a multiple personality disorder."

If a black person won the election, it would, again, be redundant whether or not he was qualified, since he won the election, period.

"No. It's not."

Yes it is.

"The reason you think that is because you have an affixiation with blacks and a persecution complex when it comes to your race. I am referring to the greater racial harmony at large."

I do not have an 'affixation with blacks' or a 'persecution complex'.  If you are going to make an accusation, you should at least go through the trouble of giving /support/ for that accusation before you toss it around.

"This extends to all races. If there are any instances of discrimination in this country, then whites can not be "special" or of a different caste."

Nobody should be racially discriminated against, whether they are white or black, and thankfully, the people of Michigan are on my side.  58% - 42%

"They have be discriminated against just like everyone else if they want to be treated as equals and void from condemnation for the actions of their ancestors. Equality through even-handed justice."

I am not even going to try to read this garbage.  Go back to high school.

"History says otherwise."

LOL? When? I am talking about -now-.  If you are unsuccessful -now-, it is likely largely your fault.

"History says otherwise. Only a white person, fully in support of white privilege and of whites being in some holy 'non-discriminatory' caste, would utter 'there's no such thing as white privilege'."

So only white people are under the impression that 'white privilege' does not exist? LOL, and you call me a racist.

"That's the point. It's not working for the people it claims to be working for"

Equality before the law claiming to 'work' for someone? Equality before the law means that you won't be judged before the courts based on skin color, gender, etc. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svTR-Y4L3kg
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LOL AFFIRMATIVE ACTION

AC is getting her asshole pounded hard by thick 8 inch white cocks in this thread

>>133 Agreed.

I defend Anti-Chan on the grounds that black applicants who have "played by the rules" have less chance of getting the position/education when competing with a white applicant with a spotty record.

Also, African immigrants have the highest education in comparison with Latin Americans and Asians. Guess why the latter get more jobs - they have a less demonized and subjugated past and they are lighter in complexion. So they become poorer, less enthusiastic about pursuing the American dream despite their superior education and then a bunch of raccoonhat-wearing John Galt-wannabe phallocentric cunts who read to much Thomas Sowell and actually think the American people will stand up to tyranny as long as they got bewmstikks then swarm to newpol so they can say that AA is racism as well and gubbimint money makes people lazy.

AC, keep fucking at it. These Ben Franklin-wannabees need to get countered at very opportunity.

>>135
African /Immigrants/? We are talking about African /Americans/.  People who live in the USA.  They aren't 'immigrants', these people have lived here for years and years, and are as american as apple pie. 

Regarding your education allegations, I have yet to see a single fact from you showing that they are performing better in the classroom, and every indication is pointing to that they actually do NOT.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:GRE_by_race.png

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:IQ-4races-rotate-highres.png

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sketch-4race-transparent2.png
(displays average IQs)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:SAT_by_sex.png
(displays SAT scores, divided by gender)

SAT scores and IQ both have strong correlations to success later in life.  The fact that there is a racial disparity or gender disparity is NOT necessarilly evidence of discrimination.  Actual test scores point to a conclusion that is quite different. 

>>135
Xel, your ignorance is clearly showing through.  The reasons that asian americans tend to be more successful than african americans is likely either cultural or family related, and is not evidence of discrimination. 

>>136
"African /Immigrants/? We are talking about African /Americans/.  People who live in the USA.  They aren't 'immigrants', these people have lived here for years and years, and are as american as apple pie. "

I think Xel's wording in the post you responded to was very confusing at best.  I think he was indeed referring to black /immigrants/, rather than the scores of black americans already living in the USA. 

How well do immigrants do? That I don't know.  But regarding those who already reside here, the facts are already in.  See links provided by >>136.

"Also, African immigrants have the highest education in comparison with Latin Americans and Asians. Guess why the latter get more jobs - they have a less demonized and subjugated past and they are lighter in complexion."

I disagree.  African Americans actually did worse on standardized tests on the average than Latino Americans and Asian Americans.  It has nothing to do with skin color, it just means that on the average, there are fewer individuals among said demographic of merit.  This is not to be taken offencively, as there are indeed intelligent people among all racial demographics, and simply because one /tends/ to score lower than another, is not evidence, like AC claims, of 'genetic inferiority', rather, all it points to is, in my opinion, cultural differences between said demographics.  Said cultural differences can /tend/ to produce different individuals who /tend/ to score differently on standardized tests, which makes sense anyways, since they are coming from different backgrounds. 

Anyway, standardized tests have been shown to have some degree of correlation with success, and thus I would say that since the groups who are apparently 'discriminated' against - or who claim suffer from a society of 'white privilege', are just making excuses, generally.  There may indeed be some degree of discrimination occurring, but it is not one sided either.  There are racist black people as well as racist white people.  Given that we already have Civil Rights Laws, the notion of affirmative action - reverse discrimination - is really quite absurd to me.

"So they become poorer, less enthusiastic about pursuing the American dream despite their superior education and then a bunch of raccoonhat-wearing John Galt-wannabe phallocentric cunts who read to much Thomas Sowell and actually think the American people will stand up to tyranny as long as they got bewmstikks then swarm to newpol so they can say that AA is racism as well and gubbimint money makes people lazy."

You don't address the test scores, you don't address any of the aforementioned arguments, and in my opinion, your insults are really rather tasteless, ineffective, and without merit.

"AC, keep fucking at it. These Ben Franklin-wannabees need to get countered at very opportunity."

Oh, I get it! I must be a 'Ben Franklin-wannabee' because I am against institutionalized racism!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svTR-Y4L3kg
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LOL AFFIRMATIVE ACTION

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJrZHVBrO_s&mode=related&search=
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJrZHVBrO_s&mode=related&search=

John Stossel reports on affirmative action, and so-called 'white privilege'.

>>124
I make 250000 dollars a year, and am younger than 30.  I sit in an office about 4 weeks out of the year, but i got there with the skills instilled in me by family and hard work.

President Bush won because he was voted in by judges.  Deal with it. 

People in corporations were either put in because of their parents, which is much the same way that others get in, or because they weasel or work their way up. Both are hard work (those appointed are hard pressed to keep up with the markets, and they quickly learn the trade), and it is hard to work your way up, while weaseling requires more finnesse.  If you want to get a better life, work harder, be smarter, and think things through.

>>124
I make 250000 dollars a year, and am younger than 30.  I sit in an office about 4 weeks out of the year, but i got there with the skills instilled in me by family and hard work.

President Bush won because he was voted in by judges.  Deal with it. 

People in corporations were either put in because of their parents, which is much the same way that others get in, or because they weasel or work their way up. Both are hard work (those appointed are hard pressed to keep up with the markets, and they quickly learn the trade), and it is hard to work your way up, while weaseling requires more finnesse.  If you want to get a better life, work harder, be smarter, and think things through.

>>136 "SAT scores and IQ both have strong correlations to success later in life.  The fact that there is a racial disparity or gender disparity is NOT necessarilly evidence of discrimination.  Actual test scores point to a conclusion that is quite different." You actually haven't read up on what yu are talking about. No surprise there. Rich white kids take the SAT more.

Over the last 30 years, black students at all three age levels have increased their long-term math and reading NAEP scores. Over the last 10 years, only black 9 year olds and 13 year olds have increased their NAEP scores. The 17 year old scores have been flat. During this time period, however, the black SAT scores have improved. While the black students who take the SAT appear to be doing better academically, black seniors in general have stagnated since the mid-1990s. If we want to know how black students are progressing academically, the long-term trend NAEP is the best measure.

"African /Immigrants/? We are talking about African /Americans/.  People who live in the USA.  They aren't 'immigrants', these people have lived here for years and years, and are as american as apple pie." Well, yet the African American community is worse off despite the fact that all the people who move to America from Africa (they'll be the new African-Americans) don't improve the situation or the statistics very much. Guess what? Racism.

>>137 "Xel, your ignorance is clearly showing through.  The reasons that asian americans tend to be more successful than african americans is likely either cultural or family related, and is not evidence of discrimination." That is what I disproved in my post. Also, white American culture during the last century is responsible for the urban black culture.

>>138 "You don't address the test scores, you don't address any of the aforementioned arguments, and in my opinion, your insults are really rather tasteless, ineffective, and without merit." I've already fucked over the argument about you precious test scores. What are you going to hide behind now?

"Oh, I get it! I must be a 'Ben Franklin-wannabee' because I am against institutionalized racism!" Yes, when you take a proud, flag-waving hard-ass stance without reading up on your shit, you are.

Also, Thomas Sowell's book is flawed as fuck, and is moot as leverage in your arguments.

>>142 This is a good example of an individual being honest and therefore failing at life or trying to troll and husly failing at troll.

I don't know how I fail at life.  I give about half to charities, my favorite being the Special Forces Warrior Foundation and Ronald McDonald House.

Affirmative action = QUOTAS
Quotas = discrimination
quotas were once used to keep Jews out of colleges
so why support quotas?

thankgoodness that ended. Racisim has place on college campuses

>>145
what the fuck are you talking about

Since it seems to be a huge deal in my thread I might aswell say it, yeah, I'm a white male.

Quotas still exist.

I have absolutely no problem with the police investigating companies that have 500 employees and none of them are black etc.. I have problems with quotas which are essentially saying companies are guilty without trial and it doesn't do anything to stop the actual causes of discrimination.

>>143
"You actually haven't read up on what yu are talking about. No surprise there. Rich white kids take the SAT more."

Possibly correct.. because they are trying to get into colleges.  You may have highlighted yet another plausible reason for income disparity.  Laziness, irresponsibility, and lack of ambition.

"Over the last 30 years, black students at all three age levels have increased their long-term math and reading NAEP scores."

Dandy.  This does not mean that they are doing as well on average as white students, as my charts from the encyclopedia would indicate.  Even supposing they were, you can't leave out the possibility that their failing in life is quite possibly because of personal irresponsibility or laziness.

"Well, yet the African American community is worse off despite the fact that all the people who move to America from Africa (they'll be the new African-Americans) don't improve the situation or the statistics very much. Guess what? Racism."

You apparently don't even have your statistics in order, or at the very least don't know what the hell they mean.  I think jumping to conclusions like you just did is based more on your -want- to side with discriminatory policies such as affirmative action rather than actual reason. 

"That is what I disproved in my post. Also, white American culture during the last century is responsible for the urban black culture."

I disagree.  Those individuals living in urban areas in all likelyhood -chose- to act like they do, and to live the lives that they do.

"I've already fucked over the argument about you precious test scores. What are you going to hide behind now?"

Pretty simple.  Black irresponsibility.  See >>140.  Also, there is controversy over the validity of the SAT.  See above.

"Yes, when you take a proud, flag-waving hard-ass stance without reading up on your shit, you are."

I did read up on my 'shit', and I think discrimination based on race is wrong.  Simple.

"Also, Thomas Sowell's book is flawed as fuck, and is moot as leverage in your arguments."

I seriously doubt you have so much as wiped the dust off the cover of that book.


Also, you have yet to address IQ, you have yet to address the distinct possibility that it is quite simply laziness or irresponsibility, you have yet to explain to me what is wrong with Sowell and his arguments, and regarding the SAT ... it is a college entrance test.  If white people are taking it more often, I would assume that means they are trying harder or pushing more to get into colleges and further their education - leading to more success later in life.  Funny that you should touch on that, since it actually in all likelyhood bolstered my argument. 

Affirmative action, whether discrimination is present or not in society, is not justified.  We have civil rights laws already anyway.  Racial preferences, quotas, etc, should all be banned.  Thankfully prop.2. passed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWgTvJUt5Ng

Well, what do you know? Martin Luther King Jr. didn't advocate racial preferences! Guess he'd be with the so-called 'Ben Franklin Wannabees'? LOL.

>>152 we already knew that. Everyone knows that it was actually Malcom X who was responsible for any of hte progress which we made.

The "blacks are just lazy" argument would only work under certain conditions. Those being that:

(A) There were/are absolutely no instances of discrimination or racism ever present in American soceity whatsoever.

And

(B) There aren't/weren't persistant negative cultural memes aimed at blacks and other minoirities.

You guys can sit here niggling (lulz) about SAT scores and all that. But that's the re-hash of the Race thread. I think my point is clear; the only way to really fight discrimination is with discrimination.

Quoting Martin Luther King, doesn't work when you're white. I'm black and have the ability to look at the dominating cultural trends around the era and this one and I can tell you that he definately had the framework right...but things will never been equal in this country if you couple your anti-AA dogma with "Blacks are just lazy". You're basically sitting here, post after idiotic post...proving my point for me.

>>152 MLK and his followers believed that a strictly cultural movement would create less controversy and hostility to civil rights. Guess they were proven wrong considering all the progress had to be legalized into action at the whining and violent outburts of those privileged by the status quo.
>>153 "Everyone knows that it was actually Malcom X who was responsible for any of hte progress which we made." Have some sauce with that? I can believe it but I need some support.
>>150 "You apparently don't even have your statistics in order, or at the very least don't know what the hell they mean.  I think jumping to conclusions like you just did is based more on your -want- to side with discriminatory policies such as affirmative action rather than actual reason." Again, people who immigrate to America and come from Africa are better educated than any other type of immigrant. Yet it took the Clinton administration to statistically improve the situation for the black community, even though the right-wing congress flawed the welfare reform.
"Laziness, irresponsibility, and lack of ambition." This is a result of behaviorism, in specific the community the people you refer to grew up in. This culture is as it is because of previous discrimination. It is the American culture in general that is at fault; urban black culture would have a better influence and value if black people had a better chance. Urban black culture is a result of a lack of equality. I am partially responsible for my Swedish society that is discriminating and marginalizing towards immigrants. They are overrepresentated in crime and unemployment but they would not be if native Swedes weren't prejudiced towards them.

>>155
"Again, people who immigrate to America and come from Africa are better educated than any other type of immigrant."

Better educated does not /necessarilly/ mean more successful.  I also don't believe this having not seen a shred of proof.

"Yet it took the Clinton administration to statistically improve the situation for the black community, even though the right-wing congress flawed the welfare reform."

Oh really?
http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg18n3-x.html

Reagan FTW.

"This is a result of behaviorism, in specific the community the people you refer to grew up in. This culture is as it is because of previous discrimination."

And naturally, rewarding their laziness with racially based preferential treatment and handouts is the solution! (LOL)

"It is the American culture in general that is at fault; urban black culture would have a better influence and value if black people had a better chance."

More like if they'd work harder, be more ambitious, and stop getting involved with gangs/crime/etc.

"Urban black culture is a result of a lack of equality."

I disagree.  Black people are not set in some kind of caste system.  Individuals within this said community can and do occasionally get ahead.  If all of them were conditioned into failure by past discrimination, shouldn't they all fail? (They don't.)

>>154
"The "blacks are just lazy" argument would only work under certain conditions."

I am not saying all blacks are lazy, or even that it is generally the case.  There is, quite simply, a good amount of irresponsibility and OR laziness, or possibly both, that is occurring, which results in lack of performance - and what you seem to think is 'racism'.


"(A) There were/are absolutely no instances of discrimination or racism ever present in American soceity whatsoever."

What about one instance? I am not denying that there is any discrimination occurring, but I AM saying by and large, it is not a problem.  The bigger problem, is laziness and irresponsibility, not racism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJrZHVBrO_s&mode=related&search=

"(B) There aren't/weren't persistant negative cultural memes aimed at blacks and other minoirities."

There are 'persistant negative cultural memes' aimed at lots of races, including whites, hispanics, and asians, but I don't see them begging for preferential treatment and/or handouts.

"I think my point is clear; the only way to really fight discrimination is with discrimination."

Yes.  And I think MY point is clear as well - that discrimination is always wrong, and that as often as we can, we should give the position, job, or whatever to the person who is most qualified.

"Quoting Martin Luther King, doesn't work when you're white."

And you say I'm racist.  I see, so Martin Luther King's words are some kind of magical phrase that can only be evoked if you have dark skin?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a9/Income_Race.jpg
Here is a chart showing average income by race in the USA. 

Here is a chart showing average IQ by race in the USA.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bd/IQ-4races-rotate-highres.png

Discrimination is not occurring.  The graphs match up, more or less.  Asians scoring the highest on average make the highest income on average.  Whites, scoring second highest on average, make the next highest income, on average.  Hispanics, scoring next highest on average, make the next highest amount of average income.  Blacks, scoring next highest on average, make next highest on average income. 

They all line up.

Here is one showing SAT averages by ethnicity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2003_SAT_by_race-ethnicity.png

Again, they all line up exactly as given above.


Here's another one displaying average GRE scores among said ethnicities. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:GRE_by_race.png

Here's one that displays SAT scores, again, they are averages by ethnicity - but this is math scores ONLY. 
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c4/Students_who_scored_600_or_more_on_the_math_SAT.gif


ALL the charts line up, more or less.  Average IQ scores, average SAT scores, average test scores, and average income all line up almost identically. 

Again, here is average income by ethnicity: 
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a9/Income_Race.jpg

Continuing.  Anyway, as the graphs should show you, this is not evidence of discrimination... this is to show you that income disparity among ethnicities is not evidence of discrimination, but rather evidence that links IQ, SAT scores, etc to prosperity.  The groups that score higher on tests on the average tend to be more successful on the average.  That isn't discrimination, that is meritocratic values.

I am not saying ALL people of a given ethnicity score poorly, or that all people of a given ethnicity score well.  These are just averages, and I am simply pointing out their correlation with the income disparity AC pointed out, which he claimed was clearly evidence of discrimination.  These charts prove that it is NOT discrimination. 

>>159 "These charts prove that it is NOT discrimination."

Of course it isn't.  It is more lack of effort in school than anything else, imo.