>>136 "SAT scores and IQ both have strong correlations to success later in life. The fact that there is a racial disparity or gender disparity is NOT necessarilly evidence of discrimination. Actual test scores point to a conclusion that is quite different." You actually haven't read up on what yu are talking about. No surprise there. Rich white kids take the SAT more.
Over the last 30 years, black students at all three age levels have increased their long-term math and reading NAEP scores. Over the last 10 years, only black 9 year olds and 13 year olds have increased their NAEP scores. The 17 year old scores have been flat. During this time period, however, the black SAT scores have improved. While the black students who take the SAT appear to be doing better academically, black seniors in general have stagnated since the mid-1990s. If we want to know how black students are progressing academically, the long-term trend NAEP is the best measure.
"African /Immigrants/? We are talking about African /Americans/. People who live in the USA. They aren't 'immigrants', these people have lived here for years and years, and are as american as apple pie." Well, yet the African American community is worse off despite the fact that all the people who move to America from Africa (they'll be the new African-Americans) don't improve the situation or the statistics very much. Guess what? Racism.
>>137 "Xel, your ignorance is clearly showing through. The reasons that asian americans tend to be more successful than african americans is likely either cultural or family related, and is not evidence of discrimination." That is what I disproved in my post. Also, white American culture during the last century is responsible for the urban black culture.
>>138 "You don't address the test scores, you don't address any of the aforementioned arguments, and in my opinion, your insults are really rather tasteless, ineffective, and without merit." I've already fucked over the argument about you precious test scores. What are you going to hide behind now?
"Oh, I get it! I must be a 'Ben Franklin-wannabee' because I am against institutionalized racism!" Yes, when you take a proud, flag-waving hard-ass stance without reading up on your shit, you are.
Also, Thomas Sowell's book is flawed as fuck, and is moot as leverage in your arguments.