Why are the lefties so angry?

It seems all they do all day is spread hate and disinformation.

Is it cause they are poor and maladapted to society? Or is it genetic?

It has something to do with the various mental disorders they tend to have, such as feminazism.

Could be because America is heavily pro-gov and tolerant, and the conservatives are thus constantly splitting the country on bullshit issues and harming the quite popular government programs at every single opportunity.
Here's a start. http://patternsthatconnect.blogspot.com/2006/03/social-dominance-orientation-and.html

Left and right etc...

Vote libertarian.

It has to do with not being the party in power.  Once the dems retake congress/presidency, the republicans will start being whiny bitches too.

>>It seems all they do all day is spread hate and disinformation.

hate? what are you talking about? how is speaking up against a government that's taken no accountability for any of its mistakes hateful?
disinformation? it's all spin and preception. anything, given the right point of view, could be made to be believed as truth or a lie to any side. democrats and republicans have far more in common on many issues than you'd think, it's just the hard core neo-cons that are skewing the picture and making everything partisan.

>>6
The left (and the right, sometimes as well) tends to socially oppress people if they disagree with them on the issues, and in general just goes ballistic.  They say the religious right should be tolerant, yet they themselves tend to be intolerant.  Kinda funny how hypocritical the left is, really.  Yeah, I know the republicans aren't so great either, but whatever, better than the liberals but imo, the libertarians pwn them both.

>>6

"democrats and republicans have far more in common on many issues than you'd think"

There are many differences between the democraps and the republicans that you are glazing over.  The democrats tend to support: 

affirmative action
gun control
various socialistic programs, such as nationalized medicine
social security
abortion on demand
legislating tolerance
higher taxes
higher spending
more social programs, and increased funding to them

The republicans tend to support: 

Legislation affirming the right to life of the unborn
gun rights
self defense rights
carry rights
slashing taxes
slashing spending on social programs
increasing spending on the military
opposing affirmative action
opposing legislating tolerance

That's what I can come up with off the top of my head, but I know there's a hell of a lot more.  The difference between the two parties is pretty stark.

If you can come up with some similarities between the two parties, however, I'd like to hear them.  This should be interesting.

>>6
"it's just the hard core neo-cons that are skewing the picture and making everything partisan."

As opposed to the neo-liberals who do the same? LOL. 

>>1
Aaaaannd, the Republicans aren't? What about, say, the dozens of pro-life protests outside of women's clinics where they harass and yell at the women entering, while holding up grotesque pictures of bloody fetuses (which is nothing what abortions look like, those are third trimester abortions, which both parties are against, and 90% of abortions occur in the 1st trimester when it is a cluster of cells smaller than a pinpoint)? At the Taste Of Minnesota this year, a pretty major thing much like a State Fair, there was a plane flying overhead dragging a giant image of a third trimester abortion, it was appauling. Or how about the countless protests against gay marriage and rights where people held up signs like "Faggots die, God laughs." OH, and there was a semi with a picture of two guys kissing on the side with the caption "If you want this, vote Democrat" that was driving around the area where John Edwards came to speak in 2004. Or how about Fox News? There are so many examples from that alone it's not even funny.

Wait, who is spreading hate and misinformation?

Most people are assholes ergo: political parties strive to please assholes.

The reason why democracy works is because when something is obviously wrong and fucked up, there is nothing the government can do to persuade the people it's doing the right thing. Thus political parties naturally try to spread as mcuh disinformation and BS as possible so that the truth is less obvious to the public and they can do more. However they can only do so much if the population is educated.

The solution to this problem would simply be to have a government that does nothing except preserve justice and who's principles are entirely logical and self-evident. The US's libertarian constitution pretty much serves this purpose, thus the perfect party would be libertarian.

Vote libertarian.

>>8 You should check out the stats on that page, showing that the gulf between self-identified conservatism and operational conservatism is wide.
"affirmative action" This is unethical but could be justified by a certain situation.
"gun control" Unethical, mostly ineffective.
"various socialistic programs, such as nationalized medicine" Said programs have a lot of support according to that link's data. I am for national healthcare, since conservatives can't privatize for shit.
"social security" Unfairly demonized, and the offered program for privatization is worthless and destructive. No sensible libertarian supports this kind of pyrrhic victory.
"abortion on demand" Almost always ethical, and we can't trust pro-lifers to draw a sensible line.
"legislating tolerance" Unethical and not very productive.
"higher taxes" Generally bad, but this depends on the nation. I would never support tax cuts before a period of insane spending. Reagan raised taxes and that worked swell, you know?
"higher spending" Red states take more gov spending than they give back. Guess the rugged rural independent people should start acting upon their words.
"more social programs, and increased funding to them" This is in accordance with the popular opinion as far as the link's credited survey is concerned.

"Legislation affirming the right to life of the unborn" And while this is justified, we can't trust them to draw the line in an acceptable manner.
"gun rights" Absolutely.
"self defense rights" Fair enough.
"carry rights" also ethically and utilitarianly justified. Enough with the boomsticks already.
"slashing taxes" Ethically justified, yet the laffer curve is proven bullshit.
"slashing spending on social programs" Keyword is "slash". Forcing the needy to quit cold turkey is not an ethical way to create a laissez-faire state. Slow but steady change towards self-reliance is much better.
"increasing spending on the military" Unneccesary; the current threats against America would be handled better with surgical strikes a la NATO.
"opposing affirmative action" more like demonizing it. I find affirmative action to be unethical and not very productive. But I am reality-based so if it worked I would support it. I am a white male and I have been privileged all my life.
"opposing legislating tolerance" And generally not offering another way to increase tolerance.

Read that article, you'll be intrigued by the clear message of the data, and that data comes from a very credible survey.

>>12
I am capable of further insight.

""affirmative action"
The solution to discrimination is to find methods of ensuring discrimination does not occur. Affirmative action only roughly approximates when discrimination is occurring, so when it approximates correctly it works and when it does this incorrectly it is wrong. That is why it "could be justified by a certain situation".

"social security"
Libertarians should support this on the basis that it be used solely for preserving justice and not to pay bums for not working etc.. Unfortunately libertarians occasionally enjoy believing in things which are not true and this affects their judgement and they do not even consider the actual purpose of the government, perhaps going so far as to say good ideas are not inherantly libertarian.

"abortion on demand"
If the baby can survive outside the womb, no. If it can't, yes.

"higher spending"
If rural red states vote for a government which reduces government spending even though they get the ivory end of the tax stick, surely democrat voters are also at fault? Curiously this situation fits in with the premise that liberals are stupid and conservatives are immoral.

"more social programs, and increased funding to them"
These should be taken up by regulated private firms to ensure they actually do good for the economy. Everything except the preservation of justice can be done through the market economy, where justice is preserved.

"Legislation affirming the right to life of the unborn"
Should be replaced by legislation affirming the right of a fetus that can survive outside the womb to complete the pregnancy. There are bound to be immoral people who think it is justified to cut their pregnancy short by 3 months for their own convenience.

"slashing taxes" Taxes should be as low as possible whilst retaining a high degree of law enforcement.

"slashing spending on social programs"
They could be slashed in a matter of months if they were privatised and divided between different coorporations who believe they can make a profit.

"opposing affirmative action"
People should be judged by how priviledged they are instead of irrelevant demographics. Just like when you see a black man you should not assume he is a criminal, when you see a black hobo and a white hobo you should not assume the white hobo must be a lazy bum because he has been given priviledges all his life and the black hobo must be there due to racism. You've just met these 3 people, so how can you know anything about their past?

"opposing legislating tolerance"
There should be absolutely no restrictions on free speech whatsoever.

>>13 I'll elaborate because you are not a militant screamer and I like that.
On affirmative action I have some qualms on the "slippery slope" basis. Naturally the ideal solution would be a culture without discriminatory facets. Maybe arbitrary control could cause such a change but the effect of such programs are a bit hard to quantify. Libertarians argument that in a laissez-faire economy companies will not have the margins for discrimination but the US is one of the freest economies in the world already. The fact that ghettos are more prevalent in blue states is also a factor, so maybe draconian labor laws may actually benefit minorities in the long run. I should read up on this.
On Soc Sec I find the demonization of the program to be vile and an attack on the interests of the majority. The guy that recommended privatization to W is the same guy and the same privatization that was imposed on Chileans. They lost up to half their money and 90 % lament this "privatization". I would strongly support privatization if it was incremental, fair and economically justified. The current suggestion fulfills no prerequisites, and it would be a  pyrrhic victory for libertarians at American's expense.
"If the baby can survive outside the womb, no. If it can't, yes." I still think that if the baby has a unique human mind, killing it is wrong. That doesn't mean I don't understand the decision.
Regarding higher spending I agree wholeheartedly.
"These should be taken up by regulated private firms to ensure they actually do good for the economy. Everything except the preservation of justice can be done through the market economy, where justice is preserved." Yeah, I dig. I would support the conservatives more if they didn't suck at fair, non-ideological privatization. I still think that government should have a check on companies for the sake of consumers and environment, because companies do not want to be subjective to the wants and interests of the consumers if they can help it.
"They could be slashed in a matter of months if they were privatised and divided between different coorporations who believe they can make a profit." As long as the people and the companies can take the responsibility, then sure. The outsourcing of the "reconstruction" of Iraq, the Big Dig, the health insurance system and the toll booths in some unlucky state springs to mind...

>>11
I concur.  Unfortunately, there are oh so many feminazis who would love to vote democrat to ram their agenda down our throats in a particularly fascist manner.


"affirmative action" This is unethical but could be justified by a certain situation."

No it couldn't.

"gun control" Unethical, mostly ineffective."

Agreed.

"various socialistic programs, such as nationalized medicine" "
Said programs have a lot of support according to that link's data. I am for national healthcare, since conservatives can't privatize for shit."

Who cares? They are still just as unethical for the same list of reasons that restricting the rights of any other individual is unethical.  This restricts personal freedom.

"social security" Unfairly demonized, and the offered program for privatization is worthless and destructive. No sensible libertarian supports this kind of pyrrhic victory."

I'm a sensible libertarian, and I support incremental removal of Social Security.  There is a budget crunch about to occur in a few years, and if something isn't done, we are going to have either a massive tax hike, or huge amounts of inflation.

"abortion on demand" Almost always ethical, and we can't trust pro-lifers to draw a sensible line."

I'd trust a pro-lifer to draw the line before I'd trust a pro-choicer to.

"legislating tolerance" Unethical and not very productive."

Yep.

"higher taxes" Generally bad, but this depends on the nation. I would never support tax cuts before a period of insane spending. Reagan raised taxes and that worked swell, you know?"

Reagan's economic boom was the result of classic Reaganomics.  He had to raise taxes once to pick up the mess of the previous democrap administration before he could get the economy back on track using his famous economic policy involving tax cuts.

"higher spending" Red states take more gov spending than they give back. Guess the rugged rural independent people should start acting upon their words."

And the democrats *don't* want to dump the farm subsidies that go to huge agribusiness industries which Clinton happens to have ties to. 

"Legislation affirming the right to life of the unborn" And while this is justified, we can't trust them to draw the line in an acceptable manner."

I'm more happy trusting them to draw the line on this than trusting the democrats to.

"gun rights" Absolutely.
"self defense rights" Fair enough.
"carry rights" also ethically and utilitarianly justified."

All good.

"slashing taxes" Ethically justified, yet the laffer curve is proven bullshit."

Not sure what you are talking about, but definitely ethically justified.

"slashing spending on social programs" Keyword is "slash". Forcing the needy to quit cold turkey is not an ethical way to create a laissez-faire state. Slow but steady change towards self-reliance is much better."

Of course.  I'm 100% for incremental dismantling of unnecessary government programs.

"increasing spending on the military" Unneccesary; the current threats against America would be handled better with surgical strikes a la NATO."

Too bad NATO isn't doing shit.  Almost all the effort, fighting, and funding for the War on Terror is coming from us.  I suppose Britain is helping as well though.

"opposing affirmative action" more like demonizing it. I find affirmative action to be unethical and not very productive. But I am reality-based so if it worked I would support it. I am a white male and I have been privileged all my life."

I agree, affirmative action is unethical.  I, however, would not  support it. 

"opposing legislating tolerance" And generally not offering another way to increase tolerance."

People have the right to be intolerant if they want, so long as in doing so they don't violate the rights of other people.

>>15
This is >>15 continuing.. I accidentlly dumped my refutation of Xel's post in with my comments regarding your post, >>11.

Sorry >>11, this is to say I agree with you, and disagree with Xel. 

>>15 "I concur.  Unfortunately, there are oh so many feminazis who would love to vote democrat to ram their agenda down our throats in a particularly fascist manner." They're not getting any help from the right, and the libertarians have been a bit downhill as of late.

>>17
""I concur.  Unfortunately, there are oh so many feminazis who would love to vote democrat to ram their agenda down our throats in a particularly fascist manner." They're not getting any help from the right, and the libertarians have been a bit downhill as of late."

Right, the libertarians are 'downhill' because they don't buy into the feminazi brand of fascism. 

the left is so angry because they lost to bush... nothing unusual, just typical sore losers.

>>18 No, they just failed hard in 2002 elections. Sorry.

>>20
The libertarians failed hard in just about all the elections.  You don't expect third parties to win, but you do expect them to change the other parties through the power of your votes.

I would suggest you all look and think about what the first post said.

It says that all that liberals do is spread hate and disinformation.

like they are another species.

do any of you think we would be here if it wasent for different ideas?

Is what liberals say actual hate?

or is it that you are all comfortable with your nice lives that you do not want to help others in need?

Are "Linberals" evil because they think a little different than you?

problems are fixed by change,
there  has to be someone with a different view on things to make sure that change happens, if needed.

Just grow up by understanding that change can be good.

plus, Im not even a stinking crybaby liberal to understand this.


Its not just democrats that are angry at bush, Republicans too.

It is never going to kill you to look at things in a different way,
It only makes you smarter.

Bush has been working to make things easier for certain people,
and it seems all the liberals want is to amend this so that every person
no matter what race or gender,
has a fair chance in this great, beautiful, (long ago) open country.

Its not crying or hate, its just advice from one person to the next.

its evolution.

have a nice day everybody!!!

(and if you think this is pussy shit, then you are obviously in denial to new ideas)

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Having different views makes you indecisive. Look how republikans can get a message across where as democrats have to struggle. Having different views might make you smart, but it doesn't help you win elections when the general populace want "someone like them".

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