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The Killer FDA

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-02 2:26


In a recent article in the Liberator Online, the newsletter for the Advocates for Self-Government (http://www.self-gov.org/), a libertarian organization:

"       One Century of FDA Tyranny

It's the centennial of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). FDA workers are even singing an anthem, written by an employee, to commemorate the event. The "FDA Centennial Anthem," posted proudly at the FDA's Web site, begins:

"One century past, a people's hope fulfilled
By an act conceived for safe medicine and food
Protecting rights that our founding fathers willed
To life and liberty, to happiness pursued."

Of course, these lines are Orwellian nonsense. If you truly have a right to life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness, then you have the right to market and purchase medicines and foods of your choosing. A huge, monolithic federal bureaucracy that prohibits free choice in such matters is the very opposite of this.

It should be further noted that, despite claims that it protects the safety of Americans, the FDA has actually killed hundreds of thousands of people by its drug regulations.

An article in the July-August 2005 Freeman magazine, "The FDA Cannot Be Reformed," by Arthur E. Foulkes, points out a few examples:

"[T]he FDA for many years prohibited aspirin makers from advertising the potential cardiovascular benefits of their product since the agency had not originally approved it for that purpose and despite widespread knowledge that aspirin therapy could significantly reduce the risk of heart attack in males over 50. In the words of economist Paul H. Rubin, "The FDA surely killed tens, and quite possibly hundreds, of thousands of Americans by this restriction alone."

"In another example, the FDA approved the gastric ulcer drug Misoprostol in 1988 -- three years after it had been available in other countries. Analyst Sam Kazman estimated -- using the FDA's own figures -- that this delay may have led to between 20,000 and 50,000 unnecessary deaths."

There are many other examples.

FDA regulations have made introducing a new drug into the U.S. more lengthy, difficult, and expensive than anywhere else in the world. Says Foulkes: "It now typically takes between ten and 15 years to bring a new drug to the U.S. market at a cost of over $800 million."

This, of course, jacks up drug costs and dramatically lowers the number of new drugs introduced into the United States, thus depriving Americans of beneficial and even life-saving drugs. The Cato Institute cites Robert Goldberg of Brandeis University: "By a conservative estimate, FDA delays in allowing U.S. marketing of drugs used safely and effectively elsewhere around the world have cost the lives of at least 200,000 Americans over the past 30 years."

The FDA is inconsistent with a free society, and an actual menace to all Americans. It is unnecessary, to boot. There are free-market methods of protecting consumers from dangerous drugs, while also allowing consumer freedom of choice and not stifling the creativity and ingenuity of scientists and researchers. (Some alternatives to the FDA are discussed in Foulke's Freeman article, and in another Freeman article, both linked below.)

A century of bad policy and hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths and untold suffering is enough. It's past time to say goodbye to the FDA.

(Sources: The Freeman:
http://www.fee.org/pdf/the-freeman/foulkes0705.pdf
http://www.fee.org/publications/the-freeman/article.asp?aid=2299
Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
dyn/content/article/2006/07/30/AR2006073000699.html
The Independent Institute:
http://www.fdareview.org/harm.shtml
Cato Institute: http://www.cato.org/dailys/1-29-97.html )"



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Name: Anonymous 2006-09-02 4:49

>>1
Correct, the perfect economy is one where the government doesn't take an astronomical cut out of the economy and uses it to purchase mansions, cocaine and whores for state officials. We need more economic freedom.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-03 5:28

yeah fuck the fda

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-03 5:49

>>3
Exactly, I can understnad perhaps someone committing a crime to get out of poverty, but these people could get a normal job and live comfortably and achieve moral ambitions yet they still want more. Where exactly do they find these assholes? The Mafia?

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-03 6:57

vote libertarian

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-03 12:18

Voting libertarian would increase economic freedom and bring people out of poverty.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-05 13:16

bump

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-05 21:24

bump for defeat of spammer

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-05 21:50

Voting libertarian would increase economic freedom and bring people out of poverty.
Gag.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-05 23:32

Libertarians are sad and misguided twerps full of hate and frustration. They need to get laid and get on with life.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-06 6:32

>>9
>>10
Have lost the argument and are resorting to bigotry.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-06 12:38

>>9 & >>10

Ha.  Nothing more to say aside from personal attacks? Sad.  Liberty ftw.

Name: Xel 2006-09-06 18:03

I find libertarians to be quite drab and uninteresting. I support the ideology but the posse is quite unappealing and acerbic to the extreme.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-06 18:18

>>13
Libertarians are quite 'drab and uninteresting'? As opposed to whom? The nanny statists? The police statists?

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-06 18:33

>>13
because most libertarians are a bunch of internet nerds lol.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-06 22:40

bump for defeat of spammer

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-07 13:17

bump for defeat of spammer

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-07 14:06

>>13
Libertarians don't tell you what you want to hear like other parties. They are political scientists not hustlers like most politicans. This isn't like when you were 6 years old and when you showed your mom some shitty artwork you did in grade school she'll flatter you and go "OH WOW, LOOK AT WHAT MAH BOY JESSE DONE DID AMMA PUT IT ON TEH FRIDGE".

Grow up you naive piece of shit.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-07 14:31

>>18
Agreed.

Name: Anonymous 2007-01-21 17:23

FDA is the new health mafia.

Name: Anonymous 2007-01-21 18:30

old thread is OLD

Name: Anonymous 2007-01-21 21:30

What's wrong with resurrecting old thread? You don't see much FDA stuffs in 4chan.

Name: Anonymous 2007-01-21 21:31

>>21
yu are a health-loser

Name: Anonymous 2007-01-21 22:05

Yes, a free market is great but would only work for a while sadly,but I admit, the FDA is fucking stupid

Name: Anonymous 2007-01-21 22:12

>>23
wut.

Name: Anonymous 2007-01-22 0:56

Yeah, fuck the FDA, we should be able to try untested and deadly medication if we want to!

Name: Anonymous 2007-01-22 13:18

>>26
I smell sarcasm, but I don't see anything wrong with the statement.  Honestly, why do I care if someone else chooses to try untested/deadly medication if they want to? It is their body and their life.  I could give a fuck what they do with it as long as they leave me the fuck alone.

Name: Anonymous 2007-01-22 14:17

>>27
Because people lie about what their medicine does.

Name: Anonymous 2007-01-22 15:28

The CDC as already been taken over by Objectivist's. Maybe the FDA will suffer the same fait and us libertarians can be happy

Name: Anonymous 2007-01-22 15:54

>>27

Because "people" aren't farmacists, and when it says "may result in <medical mumbo jumbo>" they ask the doctor "will this kill me?" and the doctor who is paid a certain sum of money for each pill he sells will say "no".

yay for being free.

Name: Anonymous 2007-01-22 16:49

>>30
And the doctor goes out of business after all his costumers leave him

Name: Anonymous 2007-01-22 16:51

farmacists lol

pharmacists*

fix'd

Name: Anonymous 2007-01-22 21:26

"farmacists lol

pharmacists*"

consider the source. Illiterate Libertarians for teh FAIL!

Name: Anonymous 2007-01-22 23:00

>>33
It was probly a typo, and to all appearances he fixed it.  How about you address what he has to say instead of nitpicking over trivial details?

Name: Anonymous 2007-01-22 23:08

>>31
You'd like to be one of the first people he sells his deathpill to, am i rite? The pharmacutical companies will pay him a million dollars and sanctuary outside of the US for getting live human test subjects for their dangerous drugs

Name: Fuck Libertarians. 2007-01-23 4:29

I'm sorry but Libertarians have no real understanding of how the economy works or what the logical conclusion of the world they're proposing will look like.

Firstly, do you have idea of the respective forces which caused the great depression and then what pulled America out of it? The American economic system is basically fascism in that it is rigid and sustained government subsidy and regulation that keeps it going, look at all the money funneled into military projects like 'Star Wars' and such which are just 'justifiable' ways of pouring money to corporations in giving them essentially free R&D.

Military funding was the only reason your fucked-up country got out of the Great Depression in WWII, hell, look at your internationally competitive industries (technology, pharmaceuticals, etc) and you'll see there's immense subsidy for them to stay competitive, say you fund 'Star Wars II' the company gets reimbursed for the R&D AND they get to keep any profits they make for selling the product to the government and the whole industry benefits from the innovation.

If you were truly libertarian you would be against this kind of government intervention as well, but your economy would collapse, you just like saying your libertarian because you think it's cool. Anyways if you were 'purely' libertarian you would have complete fucking chaos, like taxing people to use roads you built or suing people because you don't like the amount of sound their car makes on said road.

You people voted for Hubert Humphreys and you killed Jesus.

Name: Anonymous 2007-01-23 4:40

If the FDA didn't exist, all you people would be bitching about pharmaceutical companies making drugs that would turn out to be unsafe later on and lamenting on the lack of a government agency to prevent such deaths, or getting food poisoning in restaurants.

Name: Anonymous 2007-01-23 10:44

>>36
I dont think you know what caused the great depression. Your right on how we got out of it, but in a libertarian system it never would have happend int he first place.

Name: Anonymous 2007-01-23 11:47

>>36
"I'm sorry but Libertarians have no real understanding of how the economy works or what the logical conclusion of the world they're proposing will look like."

Go take an economics class dipshit. 

"Firstly, do you have idea of the respective forces which caused the great depression and then what pulled America out of it?"

Yes.  The government caused the great depression, and the government probably pulled us out of it.  Had we handled policy in a way acceptable to libertarians from 1912-1930, we may indeed have had a recession, but nothing near as bad as what happened thanks to government manipulation of the money supply and mismanagement.

"The American economic system is basically fascism in that it is rigid and sustained government subsidy and regulation that keeps it going, look at all the money funneled into military projects like 'Star Wars' and such which are just 'justifiable' ways of pouring money to corporations in giving them essentially free R&D."

Our economy would be doing much better if we weren't doing this.  If we left things to the free market and free competition rather than dishing out no-bid contracts to Bush's buddies, the economy would be doing far better than it is, I have little doubt.

"If you were truly libertarian you would be against this kind of government intervention as well,"

I am a libertarian, and I AM against this kind of government intervention.  Perhaps you were responding to the post of someone else? You should have indicated as much in your post if this was the case.

"but your economy would collapse,"

The economy would boom, not collapse.

"you just like saying your libertarian because you think it's cool."

Libertarianism is cool now? LOL, ok.  I'm fairly sure most people would say it is nerdy.  No, I call myself a libertarian because I think the market works better than government can in most areas, and I support personal liberty on the side as well.

"Anyways if you were 'purely' libertarian you would have complete fucking chaos, like taxing people to use roads you built or suing people because you don't like the amount of sound their car makes on said road."

There's a difference between libertarianism and anarcho-capitalism.  When I call myself a libertarian, I'm saying I support the planks and positions of the national libertarian party, not whatever garbage you picked up off wikipedia.

"You people voted for Hubert Humphreys and you killed Jesus."

I wasn't even alive in the time of Hubert Humphrey.  (lol)

Name: Anonymous 2007-01-23 12:42

>>36
Technology is only one piece of a very big puzzle.
Cuba has been plagiarising US technology for decades in the usual leaching socialist manner, yet the majority of the country still lives under the poverty line. All those excuses you are thinking up now to save your beloved Cuba from criticism, those are some of the other pieces of the puzzle, except you probably claim your incomplete puzzle is complete when it is clearly not.

Also private R&D is more efficient and always goes further ahead than government funded research. Military computers are almost entirely based on privately developped software and computer science. The government 99% of the time look to privately owned R&D firms instead of investing billions into their own inefficient institutions. Those R&D institutions that the government does invest in are usually pointless, private firms now make up the majority of space flight research and deployment competing with the likes of NASA. SETI was a waste of money.

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Name: Anonymous 2007-01-26 15:04

Fuck the FDA.

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