What's wrong with Immigration?

Is immigration really that bad? Why? I'd rather give immigrants here a job if they will then spend the money here... it would help the economy more than companies sending the factory down to mexico.  At least if they live here, and buy things here, it will help the economy here, rather than the alternate... as I said.. our companies go searching elsewhere for cheaper labor.  What do you all think?

who gives a fuck about immigration. the only people who give a fuck are racist dickshits

>>2
who gives a fuck about immigration. the only people who want immigration are bitching liberals who resort to calling anyone who wants to reduce overpopulation, crime, terrorism and encourage people in countries with corrupt governments to enforce their rights instead of taking the easy way out a racist*

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>>1
I agree, I think it is better they have their jobs here in the USA, and reinvest the money here in our economy than taking it back to theirs after being deported due to some 'guest worker program' or some such bs.

>>4
I agree the guest worker program is shit, but why not just block off the southern border, and have no guest worker program, and controlled immigration?

IT  ISN'T THAT IMMIGRATION IS BAD YOU MORON.

IT IS "ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION" IS WHAT THE REAL ISSUE IS ABOUT.  STOP LISTENING TO THOSE STUPID LIBERALS THAT DON'T CALL IT THAT.

WITH ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, IN SHORT, YOU HAVE AMERICANS PAYING THE BILLS FOR ILLEGALS, WHILE ILLEGALS TAKE JOBS FOR LOWER WAGES FOR PRETTY MUCH, TAX FREE.

ALSO, IN CALIFORNIA, LA, THERE HAVE BEEN 12 HOSPITALS CLOSE IN THE PAST YEARS, SOLELY DUE TO ILLEGALS NOT PAYING THEIR HOSPITAL BILLS.

THIS IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE.

>>4

That is one of the problems.  10 million + of our cash goes to mexico, NOT DUE TO BEING DEPORTED BUT BECAUSE THEY WORK HE PERIOD, THEN SEND THE MONEY BACK HOME TO WHAT EVER IS LEFT OF THEIR FAMILIES THEIR.

Please stop listening to all those Democratic, liberal, and Mexican president bushes false statements.

>>7
Actually I think the estimate was 10 billion, not million.  But anyways, it is their money is it not?  They earned it and can use it however they want like any other worker can't they?  And even if they are sending it back to Mexico, they still have to eat and have a place to live, which they would have to pay for locally.  And they provide a cheap source of labor for employers which keeps costs down.

In the end, it's not the working immigrants that are a problem, it's the ones who sit on welfare or go into crime we should focus on.

people who get angry about "illegal immigration" are closet racists

We should ban immigration with Mexico so the poor and oppressed can't just run away and have no choice but to overthrow their government and implement a libertarian-democracy. The US will help, by supplying humanitarian aid in the form of small arms to the people of Mexico so they can defend themselves against the government.

The problem with immigration is that immigrants usually provide cheap labour. Cheap labour reduces the wages of citizens who had been working that job and some of them lose their job or resign because they can't afford to work for so little. I guess this is the same problem as outsourcing.

>>11
Correct, cheap labour is exploitation since the immigrants don't pay tax and are not paid minimum wage. It is humane and compassionate to send them back to mexico and get people on welfare to do these jobs, by stop paying them welfare. The people on welfare will be better off than the illegal immigrants as the US minimum wage is higher than mexico's and the illegals will get angry with their government and turn it into a libertarian-democracy and be able to improve their economy and set a poverty eliminating minimum wage in 5 years or so. They haven't gotten round to doing this themselves because they are lazy and would rather immigrate to the US.

>>11
We would be practically doing poor americans and mexicans a favour by forcing them to be responsible and solve their problems.

Why is 4chan so full og Ebaums/Gaia faggots?

>>15
>>16
Same person.

>>15
>>16
Same person.

These arguments are nothing new.  People have been saying these kinds of arguments about every single ethnic group of non-English heritage that has immigrated to the US.  Germans, Dutch, Italians, Irish, Jews, Russians, Asians, they all have been lambasted for their immigration.

And when they were ostracized by society, they all formed their own little ethnic communities, several of which still exist today.  This is nothing new, assimilation takes a LONG time.  Both for the immigrants and the "natives" of the country.

The Irish and Asians were especially hated for the same reasons as Mexicans today, they "stole" jobs and reduced wages.  But guess what, America is a capitalist society.  You have no right to a job.  If you want a job you have to remain competitive with other workers.  Mexican immigrants don't take jobs from citizens, the citizens fail to be as competitive as the Mexicans.  This is also the reason many jobs are being outsourced.

Workers have the right to apply for work with whomever they want.  Employers have the right to hire or not hire whomever they want. It's capitalism, baby.  If you don't like capitalism, then go back to Soviet Russia.

>>17
Why have you completely crossed the issue of overpopulation? Overpopulation serves to reduce the gdp per capita which is the purpose of capitalism, Mexico is socialist and wants the highest gdp with no consideration for sentient life. Since Mexico is doing nothing to prevent overpopulation immigration with them should be banned in the name of preserving liberty and justice.

Do you really want to live in a world where everyone must live in poverty to squeeze out a few more billion people? I say fuck the tyrants, I want to grown corn so I can use the oil to drive my stripped military humvee and eat beef that grazes on land that could be used to feed 100 times as many people and if mexico gets in the way of my economic freedom they can stay out of my country aswell.

>>18

>banned in the name of preserving liberty and justice.

lol and ignorance is strength?

>>19
So what should we do? Harbour Mexico's excess population until we are overpopulated?

>>20
Do what you want.  Just don't pretend it has anything to do with preserving liberty and justice when you're clearly restricting peoples' rights.

>>20
send em all back to mexico, invade mexico, and establish a better government.  to pay for the cost of the war, we can take their resources ---> oil.

Our government then sells the oil rather than taxing americans for the war. 

>>21
But their government doesn't give them rights, it's not our fault so why should we suffer the consquences? We should either overthrow their government or not allow them to restrict our rights.

>>22
Sorry but war can only ever be about sacrifice. Reparations didn't work for Germany in 1933, the reduction of corruption in the mexican government will have to be a gift. Besides it is apparent that banning immigration from Mexico alone is enough to get the Mexicans to realise they have to unfuck themselves. Why do you think the Mexican government is so eager to tell the oppressed and downtrodden to leave the country?

>>23
Who the hell is restricting our rights? Mexico?  They can't do shit.  The point is if you believe in liberty and freedom you must also accept the hardships that come with them.

>>22 offers the best solution

>>2
STFU you fucking beaner.

>>24
"The point is if you believe in liberty and freedom you must also accept the hardships that come with them."
Mexico is a tyranny, so we don't have to accept their hardships.

"They can't do shit."
But we let them. Why is this?

>>27
Mexicans are individuals with rights as any other human being.

>>28
So were the nazis, but some of them had to be killed. Terrible isn't it.

>>29
Comparing people that cross borders to people that were mass murderers is a bit much don't you think?

>>30
What the fuck? I was talking about the Mexican government.

>>30
Put it this way. When you have a dripping tap, you put a bucket underneath it to stop the puddle from growing, but you fix the tap before the bucket overflows. I don't want to tell people to stay in their shitty countries, but I'm not going to stand around and harbour the excess population of a tyranny until my country is overpopulated if there is no hope of stopping the tyranny.

>>31
you're a retard if you think the mexican government is anything comparable to the nazis, if they were they'd be doing something good at least.

Funny #33, but your right.  Mexicos government isn't good for anything is it.

And


Noooooo!! America must invade Mexico before Mexico invades the US. Go in, take all their oil, cut down all their trees, drain all their fresh water, mine all their minerals, and take all their gold reserves.

Oh yeah, take the crops too. Burn the country then sow salt in the soil so it may not be used again, then close the southern borders.

>>34
So basically... commit genocide against the Mexican people?  Right, what was that talk about nazis again?

>>33
In my view, you are either a tyrant, or you aren't. I suppose they commit less evil than the nazis, they are more like a kleptocratic fascism like Mussolini and Pinochet and the only reason they don't enforce totalitarianism is because they benefit so much from trade with the US that they must actually do something to preserve human rights to help look like they care about human rights. Also of mention, the only reason the nazis were not as kleptocratic as other fascisms was because they believed there was the prospect of conquerring europe and that there was reason to put aside taxing Germany into the ground for the time being to fund their future goals.

Lets not commit genocide on the mexicans, but lets just invade their country and establish a better government, then take their resources as payment so we don't have to pay taxes for the war. 

Some would say we are robbing them of their resources, but who cares? We are just doing the job all those immigrants wouldn't do for themselves anyway.

Plus, Mexico would be real easy to invade.  Ground forces could just march right in by land.  Iraq, on the other hand, is on the other side of the world, and accross an Ocean, and maybe a desert and a sea or something.  Lets just go for Mexico, its much easier, and would help with our immigration problem. 

>>37

You're an idiot. Google "North American Union" and tell me if you think the Mexican people can easily revolt against their own US/BUSH ADMINISTRATION supported government. Nope! Don't even respond, just shut the fuck up and back out now. You fail. Seriously...what side do you really think the US government would be on if Mexican citizens decided to revolt against a government WE keep in place. Are you really this fucking stupid?

>>37
>>38 is right, we need to eliminate the liberal elements of the US government first as they love socialism and support national socialism over there. This can be done entirely through persuasion, but we have to be quick because mexicans have been indoctrinated to blame everything on the US instead of looking at the facts and if too many mexicans get the vote the tyranny of mexico's plot to take over the US will succeed.

>>39

You must have not googled "North American Union" and looked at who supports it. Bush Administration and Mexico's current government are interchangable and taking cues from each other. Last I check no one in the Bush Camp was a "liberal".

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