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Republicans are Right on Death Tax

Name: Anonymous 2006-08-26 3:58

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110006569
The death tax penalizes small business owners and thrifty people, and serves to hamper progress, justice, and smaller businesses.  This contributes to more firmly entrenching people into their economic situation - and detracts from economic mobility.  It should be opposed regardless of its effect on the rich.

Name: Anonymous 2006-08-26 4:20

ok

Name: Anonymous 2006-08-26 5:09

I agree.  It is a sad and unfortunately common liberal perception that the poor are better off in a high-tax, high-government spending economy and situation.  Not only is economic mobility increased dramatically in a more conservative/libertarian situation, the poor are economically better off as well, supposing the society is libertarian enough.  In a truly free society, there is more wealth to go around, which ends up benefitting everyone, be they rich or poor, and regardless of 'income gaps' as liberals often like to call them.

Name: Xel 2006-08-26 5:19

>>3 The crux is freedom, not low taxation. The ideal tax rate for America is higher than that for one country, but lower than that for another.
Here is an article that I have to quote rather than link to. Some weird internet shit

"I gotta say… posting columns of data in blogger is a pain in the butt. I now understand why nobody tends to do it. I tried for a while to upload the stuff as pictures but failed. So I’m entering the data by hand… forgive any uneven formatting.

Ignoring costs completely, how much benefit do we get from lower taxes? From a really cool Congressional Budget Office study on tax rates and incomes we use the following data: Total Effective Federal Tax Rates, all quintiles (Table 1A, line 15),
Average Pre- Federal Tax Income, all quintiles (Table 1C, line 30), Average After- Federal Tax Income, all quintiles (Table 1C, line 44) from 1979 to 2003.

The table below shows how the average pre-tax and after-tax income growth rate for various periods correlate with taxes.

Period…pre-tax inc growth…av after tax income growth
t to t+1…………………-0.04…………………………0.01
t to t+2…………………-0.17………………………….-0.08
t to t+3…………………-0.27…………………………-0.16
t to t+4…………………-0.19…………………………-0.05
t to t+5…………………-0.06…………………………0.11
t to t+6…………………-0.09…………………………0.09
t to t+7…………………-0.01…………………………0.19
t to t+8…………………0.06…………………………0.28
t to t+9…………………0.16…………………………0.39
t to t+10…………………0.05…………………………0.37


The table can be read as follows… the average pre-tax income growth rate from one year to the next has a negative 3.6% correlation that year’s taxes. Thus, according to the table, over the first few years, the higher the tax rate, the lower one’s pre- and after-tax income. But, lower taxes are associated with lower income growth, both pre- and after-tax, over longer periods of time. For example, the average after tax income growth rate over a five year period is higher when taxes are higher; the same is true of the average after tax income growth rate over a six, seven, eight, nine and ten year span.

Thus, over the long haul, it would seem that we are better off with taxes at the high rather than the low end of the sample we observed over the 1979 to 2003 period. Assuming I haven’t made a mistake and/or this is not an artifact of the data, what is probably going on is that the government is actually providing services that over the long run boost people’s incomes by more than it costs them in taxes. These services include education, public health, maintaining the Northern defenses that keep out the bloodthirsty Canadian hordes, and infrastructure. When taxes are lowered, either these functions are performed at lesser levels, or government borrowing crowds out private investment.

But perhaps taxes don’t have an immediate effect upon income. The table below compares taxes to their effects beginning in the following year, as opposed to their effect the same year.

Period…pre-tax inc growth…av after tax income growth
t+1 to t+2…………………-0.23………………………………-0.16
t+1 to t+3…………………-0.30………………………………-0.20
t+1 to t+4…………………-0.23………………………………-0.11
t+1 to t+5…………………-0.08………………………………0.06
t+1 to t+6…………………-0.06………………………………0.05
t+1 to t+7……………………0.00………………………………0.15
t+1 to t+8……………………0.13………………………………0.31
t+1 to t+9……………………0.21………………………………0.41
t+1 to t+10…………………0.26………………………………0.42

Results are similar to, but stronger than the results in the earlier table. In the short run, lower taxes put more money in our pocket, but in the long run, we are made worse off.

For those interested in something slightly more statistically rigorous… let’s see whether taxes actually have an effect, or are merely correlated with growth. Summary statistics for an ordinary least squares regression using the average after tax income growth rate from period t to t+1 as the dependent variable, and as dependent variables the average after tax income growth rate from period t to t+1, the tax rate from the previous year, and the average tax rate over the previous 5 years:

Adjusted R Square:….0.9677
Observations:……………19

…………………………………………Coefficients……P-value
Intercept………………………………-10.96…………0.04
pre tax inc growth, t to t+1………0.94……………0.00
tax rate, previous year……………-0.14………..….0.59
av tax rate, prev 5 years…………..0.66…………..0.07

Thus… as pre tax income rises, after tax income rises, and the result is statistically significant. However, while the previous year’s tax rate is negatively correlated with a given year’s after-tax income, this result is not statistically significant unless one is in the habit of using an alpha of 60% or more! On the other hand, as the average tax rate over the previous five years rises, after tax income rises, and this result is statistically significant at the 10 percent level.

Looking at the effect of taxes over longer periods:

Adjusted R Square: .9785
Observations: 14

…………………… … …Coefficients……P-value
Intercept……………………………………-20.13…………0.01
pre tax inc growth, t to t+… … 0.90……………0.00
tax rate, previous year……………-0.28…………0.30
av tax rate, prev 10 years…………1.22…………0.01
Using the average tax rate over the previous ten years instead of over the previous five produces similar, albeit stronger results – the average tax rate for the previous ten years has a positive coefficient, and is significant even at the 1% level.
Thus… unless the data is flawed or otherwise aberrant, or there is an error in this analysis somewhere, it would seem that we are better off with slight increases in the tax rate than the slight decreases in the tax rate GW has chosen to usher in. This is clearly not a result that GW or his cheerleaders would expect. (Nor, I would guess, one they would pay any attention to should they become aware of it.)
Postscript 1. My spreadsheets are available upon request.
Postscript 2. Anyone have any idea where I can get this data for a longer time period? It would be nice to know if these results hold over longer periods of time."

 

Name: Anonymous 2006-08-26 5:28

>>4
But your tables are based on growth rates of a given period, and this is why it is flawed.  Capitalism builds upon itself and the tools of the past.  A man's productivity in the 20th century is greater than his productivity in the past, because we have a stunning and enhanced array of tools in comparison with his array of tools utilizable to him in the past.  Thus, our growth rate now should be faster than it was a hundred or two hundred years ago, regardless of what economic system we were living under at that time. 

Name: Anonymous 2006-08-26 5:54

>>5
Continuing... and our economy now has far more government involvement than did the economy then. 

Name: Anonymous 2006-08-27 8:23

I think the libertarians support the repeal of this tax as well - but I'm not sure.

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