Ashamed to be an American

You know one day we'll look back on the pre-Bush era in America as a golden age of freedom, where we acted more out of the desire to maintain our freedom than out of fear, paranoia, and ludicrous overreaction. We are now approaching the point where even the POSSIBILITY of an product's use is grounds for censorship or federal legislation, no matter how many might use that product legitimately.

Don't want the NSA monitoring your phone calls? Sorry, there is the POTENTIAL that terrorists could use it to call other terrorists.

Want to use myspace to talk with your friends? Sorry, there is the POTENTIAL that a pedophile might use it to harm you.

Want to mod your videogame? Sorry, there is the POTENTIAL someone could modify it to show more nudity or violence.

Want freedom of the press? Sorry, there is the POTENTIAL that something the press reveals could compromise our security.

Don't want the government to secretly demand all your Google search records, library book records, video store rentals, etc.? Sorry, there is the POTENTIAL that one of these could have been used by a terrorist to learn how to make a bomb.

>>1 I believe that harsh times call for tough goings, but this has gone over the edge, I agree. You need to be careful though, or the conservatives will come and whine and tell you you can move to China if you don't want the constitution "defended".

Don't be ashamed to be an American.  Be ashamed at the state our current federal government is in.

>>3 Exactly. One wonders to which degree current policy is reflective of American intent and zeitgeist. I do know it is not reflective of America's spirit, yet one needs to learn some lessons from these sick, wasteful years.

>>2
I'm a conservative, and I agree with him 100%.  Bush isn't representative of all republicans, much less all conservatives. 

>>3
Seconded.

>>4
The problem is that neither major party really represents America's values:  Capitalism, individual rights, low taxes, liberty, and freedom. 

The only two good parties are the Constitution party, and the Libertarian party.

>>1
Don't blame just Bush, he is just puppet and has been fortunately too busy waging wars to cause much real damage yet. Blame neo-conservatives and social liberals and other un-american bastards for fucking up America.
>>2
Thing is that it's not just these "hard" times and the process started to take shape already in 30s. It culminated in 90s due to introduction of so called political coorectness and other moralist bullshit.
>>3
Truth.

>>6
I strongly agree with your suggestion of blaming the liberals.  I blame them for not providing a good alternative to the republican party.  The social-liberals have corrupted the democratic party into being the elitist shit pile it is now, from the beacon of individualism and freedom it once was. 

>>7
Neo-conversevatives(Bushists, not to be mixed up with other conservatists) are about as worse as liberalls.

>>8
I agree, and it is GOOD that someone took the time to make the distinction.  The Republican Party is being infested by 'neo-conservatives', and they don't accurately represent all conservatives.

>>9
Solution is to join the republican party, and vote out the neo-cons in the primaries, so the republican party will no longer be stained with their bullshit.

  If you are ashamed its because you're doing it all wrong

/r/ reset of the world with ww3

>>5

Constitution Party would put bibles in to our schools

>>13
http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php#Sancity%20of%20Life

Behold, the platform of the Constitution Party, USA.  Show me where it says this.  They are pro-private education, which is a damn good idea anyway. 

>>1
Considering the big fucking ruckus people are making right now, I'm hoping that when that shithole of an administration is out all the damage will be reversed.  Maybe I'm a little too optimistic, but we're not beyond the point of no return, right?

I am really happy to not be american :D

But u forget abortion  : it will be illegal soon :D

>>16
Why are you happy to NOT be an american? I love the USA. 

>>17
Because you don't know any better. You love the US in the same way a gimp loves his master and his subjugation.

>>18

You Fail...

>>18
You want americans to ask why people hate them, maybe it would be more prudent to see these haters for yourself.

>>20 The only thing that truly is to be hated about America are the neo-conservatives. http://c2ore.com/archives/?itemid=1919

>>21
Don't forget the neo-liberals.

If your so ashamed, as I am, and pissed off, do what a good 1/4 of the republican party political leaders and voters are going to do.

Vote Independent.

If you vote Democrat ( ACLU, Micheal Moore, Illegal invasion supporter, open borders, one world order, etc...) or vote Republican, ( more wars for oil, christianity, open borders, one world order, Mexicos new Transportation office in Oklahoma( spp.gov)),

then you can't be to ashamed of America or are you just a wimpy sheep that is lead by those that are calling for the destroying of america?

>>23
It is not as simple as "vote independent." There are those within both parties that are real defenders of freedom, liberty, low taxes, limmited government, the constitution, and our borders.  You might want to take a look at this organization: 
http://www.rlc.org/

The problem is that there are so many open-border, anti-national sovereignty, liberal politicians..  If you just vote blanketly for independents, you will alienate those other representatives who really want to make America more free.

If there are no good candidates running on either side... I'd recommend either of these parties: 
http://www.constitutionparty.com/
http://www.lp.org/

The libertarians are pro-open border, but they are also consistently pro-liberty, pro-individualism, and pro-national sovereignty.  The constitution party isn't pro-open border, and will defend american sovereignty, but are less pro-liberty than the libertarians.  I could see and understand voting for either, myself, as certain ideas from both of those two are needed to pull us out of the mess we're in.

>>23
ACLU is VERY good liberty loving organization. Sadly it's populated by pinko liberals, but the organization itself doesn't share those views. It's very common for people to assume that, but actually reading about what ACLU has been doing should clear the things, unless you're some un-american douchebag who believes in censorship and hates first amendment. It's very sad though that they kinda fear gun rights. They don't hate guns, but they're not very willing to defend 2nd amendment.

>>25
That's why I'm a member of both the ACLU and the NRA.  Got all your rights covered that way.

>>25 >>26 Seconded for truth. Don't forget GLAAD, whether you are hetero or not.

>>25
I'd support the ACLU if they weren't pro-choice.  Outside of that, great organization.  I like the NRA as well, but I dissaprove of their general disgust with those who care for animal welfare.  As of yet, I'm still wondering if I'll join either. 

I suppose there are also other gun lobbies and pro-liberty/freedom organizations.  If you'd be interested in them, I'll post two I know off the top of my head here.

http://www.gunowners.org/
http://www.jpfo.org/

I especially like JPFO.  I've ordered things from them before, like "Innocents Betrayed."  They are a trustworthy and superior organization, as near as I can tell from what dealings I've had with them.  JPFO is technically a 'Jewish' organization, but they will not discriminate, and will take anyone who supports all the Bill of Rights for all people.

>>25
Oh yeah, one more thing.  While I love the ACLU for the fact that it supports gay rights, and civil liberties in general, opposes the Patriot Act, etc, there is one more qualm I have with them. 

Take a look at this: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aclu

"The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) is a major national non-profit organization with headquarters in New York City, whose stated mission is "to defend and preserve the individual rights and liberties guaranteed to every person in this country by the Constitution and laws of the United States".[1]"

Sounds all fluffy and nice, right?
http://www.aclu.org/police/gen/14523res20020304.html

The ACLU seems to reflect the Democratic party in every concievable way, outside of the democratic party's economics.  I don't share these views.  I favor gay rights, and I oppose hte Patriot act, and similar anti-privacy type legislation, or legislation giving the govt too much power, but I don't favor the 'right' to have abortions, nor do I consider the 2nd amendment to ensure a collective right rather than an individual right as the ACLU does, and I wouldn't want to fund an organization that does. 

Even though the ACLU claims to be non-partisan, I find this very hard to believe.  They are neutral at best on guns - and claim to support 'reasonable controls' - which is the same rhetoric I hear coming from the democratic party.  On top of it, they view the 2nd amendment as a collective right, not an individual right, despite the very convincing evidence to the contrary, and as said before, are pro-abortion. 

Don't get me wrong, I'm a libertarian overall, but I think regulating abortion is a good idea, and I think the ACLU's position on gun rights is virtually the same as the average democrats. 

If you haven't checked them out yet, I recommend you go to the links I put in that post right above this one... JPFO, and GOA, Gun Owners of America.  JPFO is a very aggressive defender of the Bill of Rights, and doesn't discriminate. 

>>26
BUT THE NRA HATES NIGGERS!!!!

>>30
Proof?

The first gun control laws were designed to keep guns out of the hands of blacks.

>>30
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBPrintItem.asp?ID=2960