"We are discussing late-term abortions that occur after a point at which the fetus is conscious and or can feel, and can thus be considered a human life. To kill it at this point constitutes murder, pure and simple." Still not buying that.
"It states clearly in the definition of feminism that it is for the promotion of women.. this is just as sexist as having an organization of people dedicated to promoting white people would be racist." It tries to create balance by promoting that which is temporarily lower. Few feminists consider women innately superior to men, so they'll stop promoting once balance has been achieved.
>>604 "The people still made their decision, and knew what the consequence would be. It is their fault." Well, humans aren't electrons, unfortunately. Nor do they have the same margins you think they have. If some people act wrongly I want to understand why, and your explanation is sub-par.
"If said 'blame' was enforced in the form of laws, it *would* help." No, it would just raise the sale of coathangers.
"Its not just 'not perfect', it is that it is a serious disease that could have very serious consequences for the child's future, and could result in the need for a late-term abortion to save the mother's life, if the mother's health gets threatened. Again, they are gambling with lives other than their own, and this is not responsible or compassionate." Well, they are giving the life in the first place, making their parenthood equal to that of other parents. Healthy women could harbor trisonomic kids who'll die in their thirties, while fetuses of diabetic women could experience a mutation that would cancel the disease. All parents gamble with their children's lives, some just have a worse hand than the others. When is the limit for having a kid, then?
"Establish limmits that can be universalized? Use an emotional, non-accurate term as if it makes me solid? Likened a woman to a female dog?" It's not really my job to explain this.
"don't need to offer *many* facts as long as I offer a few good ones that prop up my argument, which I do. Anyway, I do offer many facts." Not very many, really.
"Words are just symbols, essentially, that represent things in reality, much like numbers. However, you happen to have a very disgusting word that represents you (fascist). This is not something to be proud of." Exactly, and your words are either inaccurate or used as blankets.
"It is the fault of said humans that the life is there. Considering that, I have no issue with holding them at fault and making them pay." Well, there is still no good limit as to when the fetus is equal to the parents.
"Yet are still not genetically human. Quite a crucial difference to me." Human existence is nothing without a brain.
"LOL, yeah, who gives a fuck about DNA? Unimportant shit, right?" It's just not that special. Unfathomably complex but irrelevant.
"Human DNA makes you human, not just your human brain." Beg to differ.
"Doesn't change the fact that they are human lives, are innocent, are conscious, can possibly feel, and that it is the duty of good government to protect them." And it's my job to prevent government from doing so.
"No, they are genetically human. They are not fish." That doesn't make them equal to the parents.
"Sure. Go ahead and be a fascist sexist if you like then." You know, I just don't feel anything when you use words like that. Like they've lost their edge.